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Microsoft doesn't understand the Fediverse (cyberplace.social)
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[–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (50 children)

Does Microsoft understand anything? At all? They suck at making software, they suck at making operating systems, they suck at making genAI, they suck at making game consoles, they're starting to suck at owning github, what don't they suck at? What part of their business is done better than anyone else? What end user experience is better on an MS product than anywhere else? They have a shittier alternative to literally everything and nothing truly good.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They rock at being the default. As much as I love LibreOffice MS office is probably the best office suite I've used too.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    For how good and useful Excel is, it's overbalanced by how utterly fucking dog shit Word is.

    Word is when you have a crap and can't seem to wipe yourself fully clean. Word is making a morning coffee and finding the milk has gone bad. If it weren't for the US deciding they'd rather invade the Netherlands than let a single Yank stand trial in the Hague, the entire executive suite of Microsoft would be up on war crimes charges because of Word.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, like I can't disagree, I've spent hours at work producing decidedly shit documentation (that it's just occurred to me I should probably have done in PowerPoint) but equally I don't think I've ever used a WYSIWYG word processor I'd consider good either (or web design program for that matter).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As someone who is actively moving away from Apple stuff, the hardest thing for me to give up has been Pages. The iPad version is fine, but the Mac version is the GOAT as far as I'm concerned.

    But it sucks balls for making anything that needs to be opened on any other editor.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know if you're asking seriously, but if you are the answer is: Enterprise manageability and accountability. There's a reason why every hospital, Fortune 500 corporate campus, military base, supermarket, distribution centre, etc, etc all run Windows workstations. Why would a ruthlessley profit-driven corporation buy expensive Windows licenses when Ubuntu is free? Because when you're dealing with ten thousand workstation in 150 countries, each with own requirements for data protection, working time, employee rights, etc that not only need enforcing, but need to be audited, you can do all that with a single Windows server and a half-motivated sysadmin. And for everyone smaller than that, you still get access to those same tools for your school, office, factory, whatever on your fleet of twenty mismatched laptops from eight different vendors.

    Nothing else comes close, and until it does nothing will change. They would all drop Windows in an instant if there was a sensible alternative.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That's the thing though, they would drop it in an instant if there was an alternative. The fact that there's no competition on the OS front is due to conscious efforts on their part to monopolize desktop operating systems because they wouldn't be able to compete if they had competition.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (40 children)

    VSCode

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    You're talking to a vim user. If you even suggest that a MS product is better I'll go crazy and crush up my own teeth into dust and then put it in my morning breakfast milk to make Teeth Milk (Tilk)

    You've been warned.

    (It's 6 in the morning and I still haven't slept I'm really sorry about this but this reply seems really funny to me so I'm posting against my better judgement)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I am not going to argue if it is better or worse than vim. I actually use both; they both have strengths and weaknesses imo. I use them for different tasks. I will say though that VSCode is extremely popular for programming and for good reasons. It's a good product, one of the best things Microsoft make.

    Out of interest: why vim and not neovim?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And I can't really argue with you cause, I'll be honest with you, I'm an amateur programmer. I actually do use neovim though, I just said vim because it's just more recognizable. Like, that's just kinda the name of this general category of thing. Don't have enough experience to know the difference between the two though (except that vim doesn't clear itself from my terminal when I exit, that's annoying. Oh and the tutor. And the color. But I haven't experimented with any of those cool plug-ins yet...)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In neovim you can have a terminal inside a buffer. So you can have a terminal and your code open side by side like you would in a modern IDE, or emacs for that matter.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW?? YOU CAN JUST HAVE A TERMINAL ATTACHED TO IT TO DO WHATEVER???? HOW did I not know about this sooner I spent literal hours researching how to best use neovim

    That was literally my only problem with cli-based text editors and its just there????

    I'm gonna be so fucking powerful now that i know this , thank you you beautiful lemmy user

    Edit: I feel like this guy at about 2:00 in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9sv3ydNBfQA

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I don't intend to have the tone of some of these other guys; if you like it that's fine, really.

    But man, every time I've used VSCode, I cannot help but hate it. It's a mess of a user experience, with anything off the beaten path being community supported via plugins that have different opinions on how they should work.

    I'm a nvim user these days, I'm all about extensible tools, but I can redefine how they work if it's not a default I like, so it's always cohesive to me.

    Between the full-fat IDEs, I prefer JetBrains by far, but these days I pretty much just use the terminal - it's just faster and it's easy to get it to meet me where I'm at.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am sure the terminal IDEs are great. I did used to play around with vim myself, and still use it for editing config files. I have had some success with Jet Brains as well. It's a solid product.

    I don't really have the energy it takes to configure and learn all the stuff that's needed for a terminal only setup these days. I guess I am just not as discerning as you are. I might try a ready made solution like LazyVim.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Lazy works. I started my config from this repo. It got me up and running well enough with a pretty basic viable config almost immediately with a well documented parts for me to tweak at my leisure as I hit pain points.

    But, if you do try it and don't like it, or prefer a G-IDE - at least you tried it. Good luck to you, captain.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    Vscode being more accessible than Visual doesn't actually mean anything in the grand scheme of code creation. Both sucks btw.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    Yet VSCode is one of the most popular IDEs with many other IDEs being forks of it.

    I am amazed this is even remotely controversial. It's one of the few products they make that's actually good. Just tells you how far off the real world most Lemmy users are lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Funnily I have been fine with a lot of Microsoft software before, but VSCode was not one of them. Mostly because I'm very picky about something I'll be using all day everyday and for that VSCode has too many issues for my taste.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah editors are largely a matter of taste for some people. I won't say VSCode is perfectly to my taste. The issue is it's easy to use and works with just about every language, tool, and environment I need it to. Like I would probably prefer Zed or Neovim in some areas. Zed won't work on one of my machines properly for some unknown reason. Neovim would require too much tweaking and learning before it could be useful. Even then I couldn't guarantee I would actually be as productive as VSCode since not all the same tools are available. It might not work in every project I end up working on.

    Essentially I have given up perfection in pursuit of convenience. If you have the time, patience, and the certainly of what you are working on then other IDEs and tooling can be much more tailored to you.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    Popular. So coca cola is the best drink?

    JetBrains are miles ahead visual code for example.

    Funny how you just have to be condescending, almost like you don't have any real arguments. But keep on being "amazed", bet you're "amazed" about ai vibe coding, I mean it is all the rage ...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    I actually like JetBrains too. It isn't mutually exclusive to only like one or the other.

    You haven't made a single real argument either.

    Here let me make mine:

    VSCode works with a huge range of languages, is very flexible and extendable, and has great support for remote development, development in containers, and even has cloud hosted IDEs based on it (Eclipse Che anyone?). Despite being web based it's somehow faster/lighter than JetBrains. It's also less expensive with fully open source versions available.

    Edit: also I wasn't being condescending until people started attacking me for an incredibly uncontroversial opinion. Your the one being condescending here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    What does JetBrains do that makes it miles ahead?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Just to chime in with my own opinion on JetBrains' tooling, my first language was Java - admittedly its been a while since I tried Java (and other JVM languages like Kotlin) in VSCode but when I last did it was a bit of a challenge. I also did some Android development for a while and if "standalone" Java was awkward in VSCode I assume Android development would have been too (Android development in general was nightmare fuel until Android Studio came along, never really did like Eclipse all that much).

    After expanding out into other languages, I have enjoyed the specialization of each of the JetBrains IDEs. VSCode always felt like a "Jack of all trades, master of none" type of experience for me personally. I have tried out Zed recently and while I think its going to be a decent editor, I still have similar issues with it that I have in VSCode (in that how well it works depends on what language you're using).

    The exception to their tooling that I haven't really liked though is Fleet - which was their answer to creating an equivalent to VSCode. It hasn't really seen a lot of development and feels more like the forgotten step child of JetBrains. Also the "Remote Development"/JetBrains Gateway features can be really hit or miss though thankfully I don't need that sort of functionality often.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    On mint it actually finds the C# sources in Godot, for example. It also easily "compiles" and launches the soft through Godot, with working debugging. Vscode is a nightmare to set up, there are configs, other files, project files, and other parameters that just aren't taken into account. Or having, gasp, code in a folder, it just isn't getting scanned by vscode. You can surely get it to work, but if you don't use the base boilerplate setup it just doesn't function well at all.

    I have used visual studio since early 2000 and it was good, then it became bloated, and vscode is IMO just a lighter version of that bloated visual.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (10 children)

    VSCode and Visual Studio aren't from the same code base. They aren't commonly used for the same things, or on the same platforms. Do you think they are comparable because they have similar names?

    Not understanding how to use the thing doesn't make it bad. It's no wonder your confused if you think it's an alternative to Visual Studio.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Now you're at it again, putting words in my mouth and behind condescending. I used visual studio when you were probably in diapers (see how nice it is when someone is gratiously attacking you?), and who cares what Codebase is used lol, what an asinine remark.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Who started attacking who here?

    I have been programming in some capacity for about 12 or 13 years now. Let's not argue seniority here.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    With 3 years of full-time professional experience or less I bet.

    But you already know how to use a downvote, so you're not a noob any more!

    Welcome to the internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I am a PhD student doing stuff about cyber security and AI. So no programming is not my primary field anymore.

    I am kind of surprised someone who's primary job is programming has such problems using a tool like VSCode that's supposed to be usable by even beginners.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Ahaha

    "I'm a PHD" and I know my ways around internet discussions! Watch out! I have a paper proving my worth!

    So that's why you smell of Dunning-Kruger when it comes to programming.

    If I had a dollar for every PhD, researcher or manager thinking they knew programming... Lots of people out of cs school too. You just don't wing programming.

    Continue doing "stuff with ai and cyber security" if that floats your boat, but you sure do need to hone your "internet discussion" skills 😁.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I am not the one who looks like a fool here. Who is the one actually getting up votes from people other than themselves?

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