▲ 1051 ▼ Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left (lemm.ee) submitted 3 years ago by Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee to c/memes@lemmy.ml 1688 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 54 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* The problem is that the 'middle class' doesn't exist. It is a series of cultural affectations, that do not apply to the majority that supposedly make up 'the middle class'. If the 'middle class' can or can't make up welders pulling 55 hours a week on overtime and an accountant working 40 hours a week, then the distinction is arbitrary. That is why Marxist distinctions of class are superior. They are dictated instead by your relationship to your means of production, and how you acquired the rights to that relationship. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wewbull@feddit.uk 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) There will always be a distribution of wealth. The key thing is how broad that distribution is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) Yeah, there's no problem with a meritocracy as long as the top and the bottom of the gradient aren't (literally can't pay bills -> more money than you could ever spend.) Like in no sane world would people willingly become surgeons for the same pay as a sanitation worker, that's just fucking stupid. Why spend a decade going through school to be a doctor when you could just go pick up trash and make the same money? We have to have some kind of variation in pay scale or society wouldnt function. Like you said, how much difference between the top and the bottom definitely doesn't have to be what it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dessel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Yeah but in the current form of meritocracy both the surgeon and the sanitation worker are relatively poor compared to the upper class. And that exactly is the problem: you cant get rich just by working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] benjiman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Assuming that the education could be free, why wouldn't you expect people to train as surgeons? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I think it's funny that some people think that if they wouldn't do it themselves then no one would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I currently make more money than the average surgeon does in the UK, and it isn't close. Top end is like 130k for them. People will still be doctors if you cut the pay doctors get, because they are, elsewhere, right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago* The problem is that the 'middle class' doesn't exist. It is a series of cultural affectations, that do not apply to the majority that supposedly make up 'the middle class'. If the 'middle class' can or can't make up welders pulling 55 hours a week on overtime and an accountant working 40 hours a week, then the distinction is arbitrary. That is why Marxist distinctions of class are superior. They are dictated instead by your relationship to your means of production, and how you acquired the rights to that relationship. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) There will always be a distribution of wealth. The key thing is how broad that distribution is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) Yeah, there's no problem with a meritocracy as long as the top and the bottom of the gradient aren't (literally can't pay bills -> more money than you could ever spend.) Like in no sane world would people willingly become surgeons for the same pay as a sanitation worker, that's just fucking stupid. Why spend a decade going through school to be a doctor when you could just go pick up trash and make the same money? We have to have some kind of variation in pay scale or society wouldnt function. Like you said, how much difference between the top and the bottom definitely doesn't have to be what it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dessel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Yeah but in the current form of meritocracy both the surgeon and the sanitation worker are relatively poor compared to the upper class. And that exactly is the problem: you cant get rich just by working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] benjiman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Assuming that the education could be free, why wouldn't you expect people to train as surgeons? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I think it's funny that some people think that if they wouldn't do it themselves then no one would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I currently make more money than the average surgeon does in the UK, and it isn't close. Top end is like 130k for them. People will still be doctors if you cut the pay doctors get, because they are, elsewhere, right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) Yeah, there's no problem with a meritocracy as long as the top and the bottom of the gradient aren't (literally can't pay bills -> more money than you could ever spend.) Like in no sane world would people willingly become surgeons for the same pay as a sanitation worker, that's just fucking stupid. Why spend a decade going through school to be a doctor when you could just go pick up trash and make the same money? We have to have some kind of variation in pay scale or society wouldnt function. Like you said, how much difference between the top and the bottom definitely doesn't have to be what it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dessel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Yeah but in the current form of meritocracy both the surgeon and the sanitation worker are relatively poor compared to the upper class. And that exactly is the problem: you cant get rich just by working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] benjiman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Assuming that the education could be free, why wouldn't you expect people to train as surgeons? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I think it's funny that some people think that if they wouldn't do it themselves then no one would. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I currently make more money than the average surgeon does in the UK, and it isn't close. Top end is like 130k for them. People will still be doctors if you cut the pay doctors get, because they are, elsewhere, right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago Yeah but in the current form of meritocracy both the surgeon and the sanitation worker are relatively poor compared to the upper class. And that exactly is the problem: you cant get rich just by working. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] benjiman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Assuming that the education could be free, why wouldn't you expect people to train as surgeons? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I think it's funny that some people think that if they wouldn't do it themselves then no one would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I think it's funny that some people think that if they wouldn't do it themselves then no one would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I currently make more money than the average surgeon does in the UK, and it isn't close. Top end is like 130k for them. People will still be doctors if you cut the pay doctors get, because they are, elsewhere, right now. permalink fedilink source parent
