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[+] Photuris@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) Some of these devices have even been known to look for other similar devices within WiFi range, and phone home that way (i.e., send analytics data via a neighbor’s connected TV as a proxy). Ummm, wut? I'm going to need some quality sources to back this claim up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yea, this paragraph feels like fear mongering. I'm not saying OP didn't see that somewhere, but from a tech standpoint, the TV still has to authenticate with any device it's trying to piggy back off the wifi for. Perhaps if there were any open network in range it could theoretically happen, but I'm guessing that it's not. I do remember reading that some smart TV was able to use the speakers as a mic to record in room audio and pass that out if connected. It may have been a theoretical thing but it might have been a zero day I read about. It's been some years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Actually, it's true. Amazon's sidewalk works in a similar way, where if the sensor is not connected to the internet, it will talk to local Echo devices like your speakers that are connected to the internet and pass the data to Amazon through your device's network. TVs will look for open Wi-Fi networks. And failing that, they could very well do this exact same thing. Edit: The way it works is that the echo devices contain a separate radio that works over the 868 to 915 megahertz industrial scientific and medical band, so the sensor communicates with your echo that way, and then your echo communicates it to the network as if it's coming from the echo itself, not another device. So the sensor gets connected to the network without your network realizing that it's actually a third-party device. To your network, the only thing it sees is the Echo, but to the Echo, it sees both your network, which it's connected to, and the sensor, so it's acting as a relay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I forgot the Sidewalk is a thing. While that tech does kind of do what OP was saying, Sidewalk is limited to only Amazon Sidewalk compatible devices, like the echo line and ring. Just at a quick glance, there are no smart TVs that can connect to that network. That said, it is an opt out service, which it awful. No smart TVs will connect, but I'd recommend disabling for anyone that uses Amazon devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@upvote.au 8 points 1 year ago I totally get where you're coming from. It's hard to find devices like that. I think the issue is that regular customers are demanding the smart features, and using them without caring about privacy aspects. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I know that sounds ridiculous, since I can “simply not use them,” but I want to spend my money on an appliance, not a consumer data collection tool. For what it's worth you're actually spending the manufacturer's money (or at least some of their profit margin) on a data collection device that they won't get to use. Smart devices are cheaper because the data collection subsidizes them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ccunix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago They are called "Digital Signage Panels" and they cost an arm and a leg. The data collection subsidises the cost of your TV, so that brings the cost down. Also, digital signage panels are rated for 24/7 use, which significantly increases their cost. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lengau@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago Honestly? Get a large monitor and a sound bar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago Some of these devices have even been known to look for other similar devices within WiFi range, and phone home that way (i.e., send analytics data via a neighbor’s connected TV as a proxy). permalink fedilink source parent [–] olympicyes@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Your tv price is subsidized by the presence of those network connections. I recommend using universal remote. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (5 children) Some of these devices have even been known to look for other similar devices within WiFi range, and phone home that way (i.e., send analytics data via a neighbor’s connected TV as a proxy). Ummm, wut? I'm going to need some quality sources to back this claim up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yea, this paragraph feels like fear mongering. I'm not saying OP didn't see that somewhere, but from a tech standpoint, the TV still has to authenticate with any device it's trying to piggy back off the wifi for. Perhaps if there were any open network in range it could theoretically happen, but I'm guessing that it's not. I do remember reading that some smart TV was able to use the speakers as a mic to record in room audio and pass that out if connected. It may have been a theoretical thing but it might have been a zero day I read about. It's been some years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Actually, it's true. Amazon's sidewalk works in a similar way, where if the sensor is not connected to the internet, it will talk to local Echo devices like your speakers that are connected to the internet and pass the data to Amazon through your device's network. TVs will look for open Wi-Fi networks. And failing that, they could very well do this exact same thing. Edit: The way it works is that the echo devices contain a separate radio that works over the 868 to 915 megahertz industrial scientific and medical band, so the sensor communicates with your echo that way, and then your echo communicates it to the network as if it's coming from the echo itself, not another device. So the sensor gets connected to the network without your network realizing that it's actually a third-party device. To your network, the only thing it sees is the Echo, but to the Echo, it sees both your network, which it's connected to, and the sensor, so it's acting as a relay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I forgot the Sidewalk is a thing. While that tech does kind of do what OP was saying, Sidewalk is limited to only Amazon Sidewalk compatible devices, like the echo line and ring. Just at a quick glance, there are no smart TVs that can connect to that network. That said, it is an opt out service, which it awful. No smart TVs will connect, but I'd recommend disabling for anyone that uses Amazon devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent [+] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 year ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (3 children) Yea, this paragraph feels like fear mongering. I'm not saying OP didn't see that somewhere, but from a tech standpoint, the TV still has to authenticate with any device it's trying to piggy back off the wifi for. Perhaps if there were any open network in range it could theoretically happen, but I'm guessing that it's not. I do remember reading that some smart TV was able to use the speakers as a mic to record in room audio and pass that out if connected. It may have been a theoretical thing but it might have been a zero day I read about. It's been some years now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Actually, it's true. Amazon's sidewalk works in a similar way, where if the sensor is not connected to the internet, it will talk to local Echo devices like your speakers that are connected to the internet and pass the data to Amazon through your device's network. TVs will look for open Wi-Fi networks. And failing that, they could very well do this exact same thing. Edit: The way it works is that the echo devices contain a separate radio that works over the 868 to 915 megahertz industrial scientific and medical band, so the sensor communicates with your echo that way, and then your echo communicates it to the network as if it's coming from the echo itself, not another device. So the sensor gets connected to the network without your network realizing that it's actually a third-party device. To your network, the only thing it sees is the Echo, but to the Echo, it sees both your network, which it's connected to, and the sensor, so it's acting as a relay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I forgot the Sidewalk is a thing. While that tech does kind of do what OP was saying, Sidewalk is limited to only Amazon Sidewalk compatible devices, like the echo line and ring. Just at a quick glance, there are no smart TVs that can connect to that network. That said, it is an opt out service, which it awful. No smart TVs will connect, but I'd recommend disabling for anyone that uses Amazon devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) Actually, it's true. Amazon's sidewalk works in a similar way, where if the sensor is not connected to the internet, it will talk to local Echo devices like your speakers that are connected to the internet and pass the data to Amazon through your device's network. TVs will look for open Wi-Fi networks. And failing that, they could very well do this exact same thing. Edit: The way it works is that the echo devices contain a separate radio that works over the 868 to 915 megahertz industrial scientific and medical band, so the sensor communicates with your echo that way, and then your echo communicates it to the network as if it's coming from the echo itself, not another device. So the sensor gets connected to the network without your network realizing that it's actually a third-party device. To your network, the only thing it sees is the Echo, but to the Echo, it sees both your network, which it's connected to, and the sensor, so it's acting as a relay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I forgot the Sidewalk is a thing. While that tech does kind of do what OP was saying, Sidewalk is limited to only Amazon Sidewalk compatible devices, like the echo line and ring. Just at a quick glance, there are no smart TVs that can connect to that network. That said, it is an opt out service, which it awful. No smart TVs will connect, but I'd recommend disabling for anyone that uses Amazon devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I forgot the Sidewalk is a thing. While that tech does kind of do what OP was saying, Sidewalk is limited to only Amazon Sidewalk compatible devices, like the echo line and ring. Just at a quick glance, there are no smart TVs that can connect to that network. That said, it is an opt out service, which it awful. No smart TVs will connect, but I'd recommend disabling for anyone that uses Amazon devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I was just using Sidewalk as an example of something a smart TV could use something like that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 8 points 1 year ago I totally get where you're coming from. It's hard to find devices like that. I think the issue is that regular customers are demanding the smart features, and using them without caring about privacy aspects. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago I know that sounds ridiculous, since I can “simply not use them,” but I want to spend my money on an appliance, not a consumer data collection tool. For what it's worth you're actually spending the manufacturer's money (or at least some of their profit margin) on a data collection device that they won't get to use. Smart devices are cheaper because the data collection subsidizes them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ccunix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago They are called "Digital Signage Panels" and they cost an arm and a leg. The data collection subsidises the cost of your TV, so that brings the cost down. Also, digital signage panels are rated for 24/7 use, which significantly increases their cost. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 point 1 year ago Honestly? Get a large monitor and a sound bar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 1 year ago Some of these devices have even been known to look for other similar devices within WiFi range, and phone home that way (i.e., send analytics data via a neighbor’s connected TV as a proxy). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] olympicyes@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Your tv price is subsidized by the presence of those network connections. I recommend using universal remote. permalink fedilink source parent