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[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (44 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 44 child comments replies: [–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago* (41 children) 250k is a lot of money. It was more even more money in the 90s. Its an exceptionally large amount of money to recieve for free straight from your parents. People don't become billionaires from working. They become billionaires by taking profit from the surplus value of other peoples work. But you believe in a propagandized version of capitaliam where everyone could equally become a billionaire, its a meritocracy, you're all jealous and lazy of our deserving overlords permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (40 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 40 child comments replies: [+] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 37 points 3 years ago (6 children) $250,000 isn't a lot of money to the average person Thats literally 5-6x the median annual income what the hell are you smoking. That is a life changing amount of money to most of the country. they didn't take the profit from anyone They took that profit from the people working there. Profit is the difference between expenses and income. In order to turn a profit companies cannot pay workers what their work earns the company, there has to be a difference. In economic parlance this difference is referred to as surplus value being generated by the workers for the company. If workers were paid what they were worth then the profit margin of that company would be 0% but those people would all be paid more than they are now. Whether you think the workers are entitled to the full value of what they create is an ideological determination that I will judge you for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago 250k is a plane. A literal fucking aircraft. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (21 children) The average US worker has a salary of $46,800 (in 2018) before taxes. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, it would take over 5 years for them to make 250k. Again, this is before taxes, and without spending anything. For the vast majority of people, 250k is a lot of money. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, the average worker would have to work the entire length of all human history in order to earn a billion dollars. If they were to make as much money as Jeff Bezos, they would have to work for 2.8 million years. Assuming you earned a million dollars every year, it would take 1000 years to earn your first billion dollars. It's not possible to become a billionaire simply through working, as humans do not live that long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* If wealth were actually distributed in the US equally that might be true, but as it is it's more than double what most Americans have, even ignoring inflation. The average net worth of all American families was $746,820, according to the Federal Reserve’s 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances, while the median figure was $121,760. — The Average Net Worth Of Americans—By Age, Education And Ethnicity permalink fedilink source parent [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ok then go ahead and lend me $250k right now. I promise I'll pay it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent [+] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 3 years ago Their wealth is based on the value of the company which is truly arbitrary And this was supposed to be an argument for billionaires deserving their wealth? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 2 points 3 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] DPRK_Chopra@hexbear.net 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago I'm legit trying to figure out the logic that determined which of his posts he should delete and which ones he shouldn't. Seems like it's whatever was getting a lot of replies, but also some other random ones for fun? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 34 points 3 years ago* (41 children) 250k is a lot of money. It was more even more money in the 90s. Its an exceptionally large amount of money to recieve for free straight from your parents. People don't become billionaires from working. They become billionaires by taking profit from the surplus value of other peoples work. But you believe in a propagandized version of capitaliam where everyone could equally become a billionaire, its a meritocracy, you're all jealous and lazy of our deserving overlords permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 41 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (40 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 40 child comments replies: [+] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 37 points 3 years ago (6 children) $250,000 isn't a lot of money to the average person Thats literally 5-6x the median annual income what the hell are you smoking. That is a life changing amount of money to most of the country. they didn't take the profit from anyone They took that profit from the people working there. Profit is the difference between expenses and income. In order to turn a profit companies cannot pay workers what their work earns the company, there has to be a difference. In economic parlance this difference is referred to as surplus value being generated by the workers for the company. If workers were paid what they were worth then the profit margin of that company would be 0% but those people would all be paid more than they are now. Whether you think the workers are entitled to the full value of what they create is an ideological determination that I will judge you for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago 250k is a plane. A literal fucking aircraft. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (21 children) The average US worker has a salary of $46,800 (in 2018) before taxes. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, it would take over 5 years for them to make 250k. Again, this is before taxes, and without spending anything. For the vast majority of people, 250k is a lot of money. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, the average worker would have to work the entire length of all human history in order to earn a billion dollars. If they were to make as much money as Jeff Bezos, they would have to work for 2.8 million years. Assuming you earned a million dollars every year, it would take 1000 years to earn your first billion dollars. It's not possible to become a billionaire simply through working, as humans do not live that long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* If wealth were actually distributed in the US equally that might be true, but as it is it's more than double what most Americans have, even ignoring inflation. The average net worth of all American families was $746,820, according to the Federal Reserve’s 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances, while the median figure was $121,760. — The Average Net Worth Of Americans—By Age, Education And Ethnicity permalink fedilink source parent [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ok then go ahead and lend me $250k right now. I promise I'll pay it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent [+] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 3 years ago Their wealth is based on the value of the company which is truly arbitrary And this was supposed to be an argument for billionaires deserving their wealth? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 2 points 3 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (40 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 40 child comments replies: [+] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 47 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 37 points 3 years ago (6 children) $250,000 isn't a lot of money to the average person Thats literally 5-6x the median annual income what the hell are you smoking. That is a life changing amount of money to most of the country. they didn't take the profit from anyone They took that profit from the people working there. Profit is the difference between expenses and income. In order to turn a profit companies cannot pay workers what their work earns the company, there has to be a difference. In economic parlance this difference is referred to as surplus value being generated by the workers for the company. If workers were paid what they were worth then the profit margin of that company would be 0% but those people would all be paid more than they are now. Whether you think the workers are entitled to the full value of what they create is an ideological determination that I will judge you for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago 250k is a plane. A literal fucking aircraft. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Annakah69@hexbear.net 28 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (21 children) The average US worker has a salary of $46,800 (in 2018) before taxes. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, it would take over 5 years for them to make 250k. Again, this is before taxes, and without spending anything. For the vast majority of people, 250k is a lot of money. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, the average worker would have to work the entire length of all human history in order to earn a billion dollars. If they were to make as much money as Jeff Bezos, they would have to work for 2.8 million years. Assuming you earned a million dollars every year, it would take 1000 years to earn your first billion dollars. It's not possible to become a billionaire simply through working, as humans do not live that long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* If wealth were actually distributed in the US equally that might be true, but as it is it's more than double what most Americans have, even ignoring inflation. The average net worth of all American families was $746,820, according to the Federal Reserve’s 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances, while the median figure was $121,760. — The Average Net Worth Of Americans—By Age, Education And Ethnicity permalink fedilink source parent [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ok then go ahead and lend me $250k right now. I promise I'll pay it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent [+] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 3 years ago Their wealth is based on the value of the company which is truly arbitrary And this was supposed to be an argument for billionaires deserving their wealth? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 2 points 3 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 37 points 3 years ago (6 children) $250,000 isn't a lot of money to the average person Thats literally 5-6x the median annual income what the hell are you smoking. That is a life changing amount of money to most of the country. they didn't take the profit from anyone They took that profit from the people working there. Profit is the difference between expenses and income. In order to turn a profit companies cannot pay workers what their work earns the company, there has to be a difference. In economic parlance this difference is referred to as surplus value being generated by the workers for the company. If workers were paid what they were worth then the profit margin of that company would be 0% but those people would all be paid more than they are now. Whether you think the workers are entitled to the full value of what they create is an ideological determination that I will judge you for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (3 children) 1: didn't touch that for some reason 2: I am aware they ran on venture capital. You didn't address where they take their profit from now that they've achieved their dream near-monopoly status. That status that would have been impossible without their thousands of employees to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) s coffee. It just needs to be coffee No. This is absolutely wrong. There's an entire grading system involved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 33 points 3 years ago 250k is a plane. A literal fucking aircraft. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (21 children) The average US worker has a salary of $46,800 (in 2018) before taxes. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, it would take over 5 years for them to make 250k. Again, this is before taxes, and without spending anything. For the vast majority of people, 250k is a lot of money. Assuming they saved everything and spent nothing, the average worker would have to work the entire length of all human history in order to earn a billion dollars. If they were to make as much money as Jeff Bezos, they would have to work for 2.8 million years. Assuming you earned a million dollars every year, it would take 1000 years to earn your first billion dollars. It's not possible to become a billionaire simply through working, as humans do not live that long. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Cummunism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago (18 children) Exactly. So you agree that it's impossible to earn and save a billion dollars just by working hard. It requires either exploiting your workers by stealing their surplus value, or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) or by using the market by short-selling, using hedge funds, trading through illegal offshore numbered accounts, derivatives, etc. Which is also just stealing surplus value by proxy, since return on investment is simply a share of the company's profits, which is itself just surplus value, or unpaid labor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] commiecapybara@hexbear.net 1 point 3 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago (3 children) If I don't take what my boss offers I will starve to death and die. That is not what I would consider a strong bargaining position. I can go to the other company that I could work at but they both work together to keep wages low. I have no power to improve my status because the system is rigged against me and every worker like me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) So you are saying that as black people on average don't earn as much as white people they just aren't as good as them? It is their fault for the way the system treats them? I would hope that is obvious ridiculous to you. However the average person has just as much control over the capitalist system as black people have over the police state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] rogrodre@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (10 children) When you're old enough to work you'll sell it to whoever you can at whatever price they offer and you'll be lucky to get annual raises that match inflation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (8 children) what do you do for a living? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) i wonder if the nature and specialization of your professional work is what allows you to be like that with employers, i imagine the local cashier at mcdonalds doesn't have that kind of bargaining power permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago (4 children) Dang I missed it. Was it something funny at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (3 children) they're in tech sales lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Like selling enterprise tech services? Like a fucking Salesforce account rep or salesperson? Lmao Sales people fucking suck. They have the skill set of a con artist (apologies to any comrades who are forced to work sales to make a living). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) they said they were in tech sales, their background was in cybersecurity but they made more in sales. that's the gist of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] motherfucker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] aebletrae@hexbear.net 26 points 3 years ago* If wealth were actually distributed in the US equally that might be true, but as it is it's more than double what most Americans have, even ignoring inflation. The average net worth of all American families was $746,820, according to the Federal Reserve’s 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances, while the median figure was $121,760. — The Average Net Worth Of Americans—By Age, Education And Ethnicity permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ok then go ahead and lend me $250k right now. I promise I'll pay it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 23 points 3 years ago I'm not telling you my business plan before I receive the money permalink fedilink source parent
[+] eatmyass@hexbear.net 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 3 years ago Their wealth is based on the value of the company which is truly arbitrary And this was supposed to be an argument for billionaires deserving their wealth? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 3 points 3 years ago Their wealth is based on the value of the company which is truly arbitrary And this was supposed to be an argument for billionaires deserving their wealth? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DPRK_Chopra@hexbear.net 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago I'm legit trying to figure out the logic that determined which of his posts he should delete and which ones he shouldn't. Seems like it's whatever was getting a lot of replies, but also some other random ones for fun? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 4 points 3 years ago I'm legit trying to figure out the logic that determined which of his posts he should delete and which ones he shouldn't. Seems like it's whatever was getting a lot of replies, but also some other random ones for fun? permalink fedilink source parent
