▲ 747 ▼ SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 year ago by tonytins@pawb.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 306 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) it's cell internet. Physical lines first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 2 points 1 year ago* (9 children) We already have physical lines. Businesses and governments aren't going to invest in digging and laying down more cables to give people in rural America access to fiber. They're already reluctant to do it for major cities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago They actually have invested multiple times. Problem is the companies they give the money to just pocket it and don't update their infrastructure. Give this money to the local community or coop owned fiber operators. Stop giving money to these huge corps that don't need it and fund the small coop and community run fiber operators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Fibre deployment is getting cheaper and easier. Both in terms of cost of materials and in the equipment and labour skills. It's also much more secure from interference and disruption. For populated areas, there's zero justification to rollout wireless over fibre lines. And most major cities already have fibre in most, or many, areas. And the thing with fibre is that the physical lines can be used to deploy faster speeds with upgraded endpoints. Tech bros would have you think physical connections aren't a good choice anymore, because laying down fibre isn't sexy enough for that VC money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Ok. What about everyone else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) It's still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uhdeuidheuidhed 2 points 1 year ago* (9 children) We already have physical lines. Businesses and governments aren't going to invest in digging and laying down more cables to give people in rural America access to fiber. They're already reluctant to do it for major cities. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago They actually have invested multiple times. Problem is the companies they give the money to just pocket it and don't update their infrastructure. Give this money to the local community or coop owned fiber operators. Stop giving money to these huge corps that don't need it and fund the small coop and community run fiber operators. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Fibre deployment is getting cheaper and easier. Both in terms of cost of materials and in the equipment and labour skills. It's also much more secure from interference and disruption. For populated areas, there's zero justification to rollout wireless over fibre lines. And most major cities already have fibre in most, or many, areas. And the thing with fibre is that the physical lines can be used to deploy faster speeds with upgraded endpoints. Tech bros would have you think physical connections aren't a good choice anymore, because laying down fibre isn't sexy enough for that VC money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Ok. What about everyone else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) It's still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago They actually have invested multiple times. Problem is the companies they give the money to just pocket it and don't update their infrastructure. Give this money to the local community or coop owned fiber operators. Stop giving money to these huge corps that don't need it and fund the small coop and community run fiber operators. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (7 children) Fibre deployment is getting cheaper and easier. Both in terms of cost of materials and in the equipment and labour skills. It's also much more secure from interference and disruption. For populated areas, there's zero justification to rollout wireless over fibre lines. And most major cities already have fibre in most, or many, areas. And the thing with fibre is that the physical lines can be used to deploy faster speeds with upgraded endpoints. Tech bros would have you think physical connections aren't a good choice anymore, because laying down fibre isn't sexy enough for that VC money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Ok. What about everyone else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) It's still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (6 children) Ok. What about everyone else? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) It's still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children) It's still worthwhile. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago (4 children) Who's going to pay for it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children) Where? In the US? It's already been paid for multiple times over, through government grants and subsidies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uhdeuidheuidhed 0 points 1 year ago (2 children) Can you tell me more about this? Is it true that government grants and subsidies were given out to specifically expand fiber to rural America? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You're putting words in my mouth. I was speaking in generalities about physical connections, not specifically about fibre. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uhdeuidheuidhed 1 point 1 year ago And we already have physical connections, even in rural America. permalink fedilink source parent