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[–] 53 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Except StarLink cannot possibly provide the same bandwidth, latency, and throughput a fiber connection can. Because of physics.

I can either share my 10G symmetrical connection with nobody, or with 200 others.

And, Fiber costs me $70 a month. Starlink, with worse performance, costs 4x more.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's not secure either. The next world war will involve efforts to sabotage satellites.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's the point. Musk wants control over the entire internet.

    If all the other internet infrastructure was abandoned, he would be the most powerful person in history. Want to regulate him afterwards? He could just shut down the internet in your region until you accept his terms.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    He has already meddled in the Ukraine war doing things like this, too. He turned off Starlink during an offensive Ukrainian mission. He claims he had to because civilian systems aren't allowed to be used for a foreign incursion into Russia and that he'd face consequences. Which is a complete lie.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Musk wants control over the entire internet.

    This is the number one reason my friend and I refused to even consider StarLink. We don't live in the US and do not want all our traffic going through there.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    That's good for Starlink and all other ISPs, intuitively, the less internet people have, the more they will pay for more, simple supply and demand !

    The best financial move for SpaceX and Starlink would be to have a few "unfortunate accidents" where tesla crash into telephone poles which happen to also hold critical fiber junctions.

    Now that is profit driven innovation !

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In principle I agree with you, but as a network guy, somewhere, between you and the server you are connected to, the bandwidth is shared. The only question is just where and how much bandwidth (well network throughput) there is to share. I work for a large university and our main datacenter has 10GbE and 25/100GbE connections between all the local machines. But we only have about a 3-5gb connection out to the rest of the world.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I’d 100% rather have a symmetrical fiber connection to the ISP than something shared like radio or DOCSIS. I used to live in a neighborhood where everyone had Spectrum and about 5-6 PM the speed would plummet because cable internet is essentially just fancy thinnet all over again. Yes I’m old since I used to set up thinnet :)

    PS: I would kill for $70 fiber where I am now. Used to have it but we moved to the sticks and I miss it terribly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    somewhere, between you and the server you are connected to, the bandwidth is shared.

    But the difference here is that on a fibre connection the shared portion goes over higher speed trunks which gives you most of that 1Gbps bandwidth. A wireless connection has a limited number of slices in the same band that it can share.

    It's the same issue with too many people on a single WiFi connection.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yep very true.

    To me the main benefit of the direct fiber connection is the symmetry. With cable here I’m “supposed” to get “up to” 1000mbs down but my upload speed is at best 40. Moving large files back and forth to work is very painful.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    With cable here I’m “supposed” to get “up to” 1000mbs down but my upload speed is at best 40.

    Man, you get 40 up? I'm stuck on 30 up. And the funny thing is that just on the other side of the creek on the other side of my street is where they stopped the fibre rollout.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Starlink is 120/mo. Over the past 30 days my average DL is 144Mb, UL 18Mb, with a 27ms ping. It suuuuuuuuuuuuucks, but the only other option is a literal 4Mb DSL for 80$/mo

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And, wait until Starlink hits saturation... Your speeds will be 1mb down, 300kb up, and latency hitting 100ms...

    You're only benefiting from early adoption at this time. It can only get worse the more they onboard.

    Starlink is 120/mo.

    How much for install?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

    TIL 120 is 4 x 70....

    Edit to add everything below this line

    Downvotes for facts. I pay 120/mo. It's either this, 3Mbps DSL, or T-Mobile home 5G that works when it feels like it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    So, not 4x, but 2x.

    BTW, did you know HughesNet is cheaper, and works just as well. Or, it will work just as well once Starlink reaches the saturation HughesNet faces.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Physics says otherwise.

    Geostationary orbit, which is where hughesnet satellites are, is approximately 22 THOUSAND miles away.

    That's a round trip of 44 thousand miles.

    That's a ping time of 236ms just for the satellite connection, before any other connections are added in.

    That's worse than my dialup latency was in the 90s

    Meanwhile, my Starlink ping averages less than 40ms, because these satellites are MUCH MUCH closer.

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