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[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -11 points 1 year ago (25 children) I don't think Nazis should've had any part of Europe tbh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (19 children) Then you probably shouldn't condemn the soviets for not letting them have it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -10 points 1 year ago (18 children) They let Nazi Germany have parts of Poland and Lithuania in the agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (17 children) They weren't in a position to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 1 year ago (16 children) We don't know how it would've played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) Your country fought on the side of the Nazis in WW2, and helped them carry out the scorched earth policy you absolutely won't forgive the USSR for turning back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (3 children) Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. Are you from a place where you're comfortable with doing that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago You seem pretty comfortable supporting Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago Well well well. How quickly one goes from "they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really" to "oh my god what's a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. The irony of an anticommunist saying this is palpable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (19 children) Then you probably shouldn't condemn the soviets for not letting them have it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -10 points 1 year ago (18 children) They let Nazi Germany have parts of Poland and Lithuania in the agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (17 children) They weren't in a position to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 1 year ago (16 children) We don't know how it would've played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -10 points 1 year ago (18 children) They let Nazi Germany have parts of Poland and Lithuania in the agreement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (17 children) They weren't in a position to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 1 year ago (16 children) We don't know how it would've played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (17 children) They weren't in a position to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 1 year ago (16 children) We don't know how it would've played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -9 points 1 year ago (16 children) We don't know how it would've played out if both Western Allies and the USSR committed publicly to declaring war in case Poland is attacked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (15 children) You're expecting the USSR to have imperilled tens of millions of lives and risk wholesale extermination by deliberately undermining their own position based solely on "well, you know for sure!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago* (14 children) France and UK committed to it. I don't expect the USSR to have done it, but I would've preferred to see that sort of larger deterrent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (11 children) Ok. The USSR isn't obligated to sabotage it's own existence because some random unborn Finish person "would've preferred to see it" Not to mention the UK and Frances commitment turned out to be extremely token, a fact that came as zero suprise to the USSR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (10 children) What's this about being obligated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (9 children) So what even is your position anymore? You've stayed completely from where you started permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (8 children) I haven't had any position on some obligations. I don't know where you got that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (7 children) You have a real issue actually answering questions, don't you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Hard to answer when you've refused to tell me what obligations you're talking about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (5 children) Why does that make it hard to answer? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -5 points 1 year ago (4 children) Because I don't know what you are referring to permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children) You don't know what your own positions are? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago (2 children) I haven't had any position on obligations, that's why I'm confused by your question permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ok. If you're just going to be literally incoherent then you might as well fuck off permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -6 points 1 year ago Well alright permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) The UK and France didn't commit to jack shit. They had a long history of enabling the Nazis at that point, planning to use them as their attack dog in the east. Not only that, the USSR had been pleading for an anti-nazi alliance for a long time and got ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago Um, they very much did make promises to that effect. Neither were in good position to actually help the Poles when push came to shove, hence the Phony War. Brittain did some good with their navy, but neither could get enough troops to where it mattered to help, so they buckled down on ramping up their own war efforts at home to better mobilize. Did they fo it out of cowardice and throw the Poles to the wolves, or out of necessity because they would have been overrun had they over commited? That's a question that has been the subject of much study. But they both very publicly and loudly commit to their defense, they simply failed to meaningfully uphold that commitment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) Your country fought on the side of the Nazis in WW2, and helped them carry out the scorched earth policy you absolutely won't forgive the USSR for turning back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (3 children) Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. Are you from a place where you're comfortable with doing that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago You seem pretty comfortable supporting Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago Well well well. How quickly one goes from "they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really" to "oh my god what's a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. The irony of an anticommunist saying this is palpable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz -8 points 1 year ago (3 children) Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. Are you from a place where you're comfortable with doing that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago You seem pretty comfortable supporting Nazis permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago Well well well. How quickly one goes from "they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really" to "oh my god what's a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. The irony of an anticommunist saying this is palpable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago You seem pretty comfortable supporting Nazis permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago Well well well. How quickly one goes from "they should have done everything perfectly and not even buying time is morally acceptable, deplorable stuff really" to "oh my god what's a little Nazi collaboration between friends? Everyone was doing it anyway" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago Not sure if we are supposed to agree with everything our countries have historically done. The irony of an anticommunist saying this is palpable. permalink fedilink source parent