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Giving Up on Element & Matrix.org (xn--gckvb8fzb.com)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I am glad someone can admit it failed and we have to learn from this. I am just wondering what it takes to succeed.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    start with a discord clone

    make it e2ee

    make it federated

    i feel like it shouldnt be this hard, but I'm not the one developing matrix, nor XMPP, nor the 3rd smaller option you the reader is wanting me to list that I am unaware of

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Don't fucking clone the godaweful mess that is Discord. Please, for the love of God start with something else.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Suppose for text messages, sharing files, contacts and such we have solutions, and with a set of libraries solving the hard parts, that can be done relatively easily. Encryption is hard, but suppose we are not even doing E2EE yet, that we are fine with TLS till the server, mutual TLS between servers, and additional something like OTR or PGP for 1-on-1 conversations.

    Voice/video calls, and especially group voice/video calls, are a different matter entirely. You have to think, solve latency problems, congestion problems, so that those were usable at all.

    Discord UI is not very nice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I agree that the UI for discord sucks shit, however my thinking is aligned with what another commenter said, its what people already know and are used to. Trying to make anything new will turn users off. I'm very open to being proven wrong about that assumption though. I'd love for a foss project to have better UI/UX than discord.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The UI is not that important. Something a bit similar to Discord in appearance and experience is doable in plenty of available UI toolkits and libraries and frameworks and whatever.

    The system itself is important, so that it would be functional with federation, yet not as prone to fragmentation as XMPP, yet efficient.

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