▲ 149 ▼ AOC voted against MTG’s amendment to strip Israel funding from the Defense Appropriations Act of 2026 (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to c/usa@lemmy.ml 140 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -8 points 1 year ago (23 children) She's supposed to represent her constituents permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 23 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 1 year ago (22 children) Who want to send weapons to Israel right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -10 points 1 year ago* (21 children) I'm just saying this whole argument of progressives and Dems and RINOs and stupid shit is part of why there is no actual progress. A) their job is to represent their voters. Not enforce their own opinions B) progressives consume each other like crabs in a bucket while terrible politicians don't care and move ahead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (12 children) Democratic voters don't support Israel anymore, so she's actually going against her voters to cast this vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (11 children) You've spoken to every single one of them? Because that's not true I literally know them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) Okay so you support genocide and want AOC to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Idealist. Everything is black and white, is or is not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 1 year ago (22 children) Who want to send weapons to Israel right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -10 points 1 year ago* (21 children) I'm just saying this whole argument of progressives and Dems and RINOs and stupid shit is part of why there is no actual progress. A) their job is to represent their voters. Not enforce their own opinions B) progressives consume each other like crabs in a bucket while terrible politicians don't care and move ahead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (12 children) Democratic voters don't support Israel anymore, so she's actually going against her voters to cast this vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (11 children) You've spoken to every single one of them? Because that's not true I literally know them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) Okay so you support genocide and want AOC to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Idealist. Everything is black and white, is or is not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -10 points 1 year ago* (21 children) I'm just saying this whole argument of progressives and Dems and RINOs and stupid shit is part of why there is no actual progress. A) their job is to represent their voters. Not enforce their own opinions B) progressives consume each other like crabs in a bucket while terrible politicians don't care and move ahead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (12 children) Democratic voters don't support Israel anymore, so she's actually going against her voters to cast this vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (11 children) You've spoken to every single one of them? Because that's not true I literally know them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) Okay so you support genocide and want AOC to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Idealist. Everything is black and white, is or is not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (12 children) Democratic voters don't support Israel anymore, so she's actually going against her voters to cast this vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (11 children) You've spoken to every single one of them? Because that's not true I literally know them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (11 children) You've spoken to every single one of them? Because that's not true I literally know them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (10 children) I've seen polls. 🙄 71 percent of likely Democratic primary voters say that the U.S. should end its arms transfers to Israel until it “stops attacks on civilians in Gaza, supports Palestinian rights, and commits to a long-term peace process.” After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%. Also, let's not ignore Zohran Mamdani winning his primary. Times have changed. Democrats aren't Zionists and she's voting against what her voters want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (9 children) https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (8 children) Cutting off the Iron Dome is good. Israel would not be able to wage genocide if they had to worry about being hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -9 points 1 year ago (7 children) In your opinion. Half you bozos here believe Russia was forced to invade another country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (5 children) So, it's your opinion that Israel doesn't need the Iron Dome to act the way it's acting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago (4 children) I'm saying that's not the path to a solution. On one hand that just galvanized more aggression and people wanna act like there is no more aggression that can be had, there is. I also think much like the country I live in, most of us don't like our government and I think poor people are always the weapon. Israeli kids are now getting killed too, their government isn't going to change its tone over that. And on top of it all, look at these comments. None of these people understand what is being voted for, all they see is the headline. This entire thread is full of people who pride themselves on knowing, being smart, being confident in their opinion. Yet none of them thought to consider MTG is what she always is, a baboon banging the drum for attention while getting nothing done. This bill was never going to be stopped, that's the truth. The US will never not supply Israel. What is the REAL solution to that honestly? I think that's what people are trying to figure out. Governments make money conducting genocides and building weapons to justify more genocides. What are we gonna do about that? Well I dunno but it certainly isn't drowning ever progressive when they misstep or you disagree with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children) The Iron Dome is what allows Israel to act with impunity in the region, like kids burning ants with a magnifying glass or gods behind their perfect shield. Take that away, start raining rockets down on the Knesset, I think they'd change their minds about the war. Poor people are the weapon, but rich people live in very vulnerable areas that could be obliterated if they didn't have interceptors. Now, if you're saying that it's impossible to remove Iron Dome funding, yeah, that's basically true. The US will support Israel until one (or both) of them ceases to exist, there's basically no path towards cutting funding through budget votes or amendments. Voting for this amendment would never pass a majority, it would just be a signal to voters (and donors) about her priorities. Voting against this amendment is also a signal, though, and what she signaled is that her priority is support for the Iron Dome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (2 children) Okay. How does that lead to a solution? How does that not lead to more fighting and death? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] limer@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) So, a knight with shield and armor is killing people. Take away his defenses and he kills less. Yes? When the casualty ratio is more than 1:1000 and the only reason it’s like that is because of the armor . Then helping repair the armor is a war crime. Also stationing a huge USA navy fleet next to Gaza to prevent any organized from reaching Gaza is a war crime too. Having them move away will reduce the loss of life and allow food to reach the area. The United States is totally complicit in this permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -2 points 1 year ago Except in your analogy there are no women or children or noncombatants. So you think it makes sense. But it's more like if you had an army of knights vs an army of peasants but both armies had babies tied to them and your goal is to stop the baby killing. Removing armor does nothing. The casualty ratio is because it's specifically not a war. Israel claiming it is a war is part of their push. I know you know that though. So why didn't MTG try to pass legislation to remove that fleet? Because that wasn't her goal. Instead she managed to sow more division and get nothing done while stroking you all and making you feel justified and giving you a place to put your anger. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Pretty sure it's the opinion of anyone capable of critical thought. You give a genocidal nation half a billion dollars for defense that means that's half a billion dollars they can use elsewhere. I wonder what they're going to use it on? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children) Okay so you support genocide and want AOC to support genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Idealist. Everything is black and white, is or is not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (6 children) Idealist. Everything is black and white, is or is not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Genocide isn't black and white to you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -7 points 1 year ago (4 children) Politicians actions aren't. https://x.com/AOC/status/1946588421197046084 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children) She's already getting called out by a human rights lawyer for complicity in genocide. Way to go. https://x.com/CraigMokhiber/status/1946593970148249744 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Doom@ttrpg.network -5 points 1 year ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml [S] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child) "I am wrong but you are .ml". Great argument. You get to support genocide now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doom@ttrpg.network -3 points 1 year ago Lol what? Whatever you fantasize about kid permalink fedilink source parent