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The entitlement of some Ontario drivers is absolutely astonishing. They are fully aware that you are breaking the law by going 15% over the speed limit. And yet they victimize themselves? (lemmy.world)
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"I hate these damn bike lanes. Screw your studies. I'm not reading that"

"Cut gas taxes. I see no reason why I should pay to support public transit"

"Fuck speed limits. I'm proud to break the law"

This sense of entitlement is insane.

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[–] [S] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Are speed cameras really effective? There are multiple studies that looked at this.

And the answer is yes, they are:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1963295/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3861844/

The car crashes that happen in Ontario cost society far more ressources (police, hospitals, nurses, medication, surgeries) that any of the money raised by speeding tickets.

Road narrowing is a great idea. It can be applied to local streets.

But the people who hate speed cameras are going to absolutely FREAK OUT if you suggest road narrowing as a potential solution.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    re: first study

    Results. The relative risk (RR) of a road collision occurring on the beltway after (vs before) installation of speed cameras was 0.73 (95% confidence interval [CI]=0.63, 0.85). This protective effect was greater during weekend periods. No differences were observed for arterial roads (RR=0.99; 95% CI=0.90, 1.10). Attributable fraction estimates for the 2 years of the study intervention showed 364 collisions prevented, 507 fewer people injured, and 789 fewer vehicles involved in collisions.

    I looked it up, it looks like the Beltway is functionally equivalent to a US interstate. This makes some sense, as speeds on interstates are going to be higher than on arterials (and the arterials in Spain probably aren't as bad as our stroads in the US).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Nah, I'm someone who hates speed cameras and I'd welcome some narrowing or weaving roads. Lowering the speed on a 60km to 40 km and sticking a speed camera on it makes everyone feel like they're being micromanaged by some new incompetent manager. If they want to lower speed limits, change the design of the road to match.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If you cant reduce your speed from 60 to 40, you are the one that is incompetent.

    It costs millions to redesign and refurbish 1 road while it costs thousands to operate the cameras. We should be working towards building safer roads but ill take enforcement in the meantime, lives are literally at risk if we let speeds remain high on our city streets.

    Even if every paving company in ontario worked for free year round we could not bring every unsafe, needlessly wide road to a better standard within a year. Nearly every major road in every city and town would need to be redesigned and repaved.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Speeding isn’t an individual phenomenon, it’s a group phenomenon. Groups of drivers peer pressure each other into speeding. Choosing not to speed can result in aggressive drivers tailgating you and hurling obscenities at you.

    Designing streets to be physically impossible to speed on (narrow, winding roads) is the ultimate deterrent for speeding. People respond better to feedback the more immediate it is and there’s nothing more immediate (for a driver) than physical obstacles that threaten to hit your car. Getting a speeding ticket in the mail a week after the incident is such a long feedback cycle that the driver is likely to blame the speed cameras, not their own driving.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There is a sign that says the limit of the road. There is a sign that says there is a speed camera in use. If they keep getting tickets thats their fault as a driver. Blame whatever you want but they weren't reading the road signs and they weren't following the limit. Who cares if some asshole gets upset the I'm doing the limit. I stay in the right lane and they can pass me if they want.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    In my city pedestrians are being hit at roundabouts, not on straight 4 lane roads with great visibility on both sides.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    A pedestrian was killed about 1 month before a camera was put in place on a straight 4 lane road with good visibility on both sides in my city.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It sucks, and without knowing the circumstances I'd at least partially blame the driver. Someone driving 60km and paying attention should never hit a pedestrian. People should be driving to suit the conditions of the road, and if a person is hanging out near the side of the road cars should reduce their speed. But unfortunately common sense is lacking in some individuals, and I have no good solution for that. At least in your case they implemented the change as a reaction to a real problem.

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