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[+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Every army committed crimes against civilians, sadly, but the Soviets took that seriously enough to punish rapists with the death penalty. Other armies, like the Nazis, US, Japanese, etc did not punish their rapists to the same degree so as to serve as a deterrent. Further, the Nazi propagandists used the facts of ethnic asians in the Red Army to propagandize about "mongol hordes coming to rape everyone," which is of course racist, but nevertheless was enough to create the myth of the Red Army as exceptionally brutal as compared to the other armies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We were talking about the Red Army, not the Russian millitary in general. Is your point that sexual assault is genetic to Russians, or are you under the impression that Russia is still Socialist? The former would be racist, the latter would be a critical misunderstanding of Russian history. Further, again, all armies commit assaults. This does not make any excess acceptable whatsoever, but it does mean we need to look at what the armies do internally to suppress it. We can see that the Ukrainian army is also guilty of sexual assault: Amnesty International accessed the government-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions between January and November 2019. The organisation has had no access to the separatist-controlled areas, which fall beyond the scope of the report. Official statistics on domestic violence, however unreliable and incomplete, show a spike of registered cases in the last three years. In 2018, there was a 76% increase in reported cases in Donetsk region and a 158% increase in Luhansk region, compared to the average of the previous three years. Source: Amnesty International Even before Russia got directly involved, the Ukrainian army was sexually assaulting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region as they were shelling the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Correct, what's your point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Spell out your point or shutup, stop being cryptic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (4 children) Every army committed crimes against civilians, sadly, but the Soviets took that seriously enough to punish rapists with the death penalty. Other armies, like the Nazis, US, Japanese, etc did not punish their rapists to the same degree so as to serve as a deterrent. Further, the Nazi propagandists used the facts of ethnic asians in the Red Army to propagandize about "mongol hordes coming to rape everyone," which is of course racist, but nevertheless was enough to create the myth of the Red Army as exceptionally brutal as compared to the other armies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We were talking about the Red Army, not the Russian millitary in general. Is your point that sexual assault is genetic to Russians, or are you under the impression that Russia is still Socialist? The former would be racist, the latter would be a critical misunderstanding of Russian history. Further, again, all armies commit assaults. This does not make any excess acceptable whatsoever, but it does mean we need to look at what the armies do internally to suppress it. We can see that the Ukrainian army is also guilty of sexual assault: Amnesty International accessed the government-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions between January and November 2019. The organisation has had no access to the separatist-controlled areas, which fall beyond the scope of the report. Official statistics on domestic violence, however unreliable and incomplete, show a spike of registered cases in the last three years. In 2018, there was a 76% increase in reported cases in Donetsk region and a 158% increase in Luhansk region, compared to the average of the previous three years. Source: Amnesty International Even before Russia got directly involved, the Ukrainian army was sexually assaulting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region as they were shelling the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We were talking about the Red Army, not the Russian millitary in general. Is your point that sexual assault is genetic to Russians, or are you under the impression that Russia is still Socialist? The former would be racist, the latter would be a critical misunderstanding of Russian history. Further, again, all armies commit assaults. This does not make any excess acceptable whatsoever, but it does mean we need to look at what the armies do internally to suppress it. We can see that the Ukrainian army is also guilty of sexual assault: Amnesty International accessed the government-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions between January and November 2019. The organisation has had no access to the separatist-controlled areas, which fall beyond the scope of the report. Official statistics on domestic violence, however unreliable and incomplete, show a spike of registered cases in the last three years. In 2018, there was a 76% increase in reported cases in Donetsk region and a 158% increase in Luhansk region, compared to the average of the previous three years. Source: Amnesty International Even before Russia got directly involved, the Ukrainian army was sexually assaulting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region as they were shelling the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children) We were talking about the Red Army, not the Russian millitary in general. Is your point that sexual assault is genetic to Russians, or are you under the impression that Russia is still Socialist? The former would be racist, the latter would be a critical misunderstanding of Russian history. Further, again, all armies commit assaults. This does not make any excess acceptable whatsoever, but it does mean we need to look at what the armies do internally to suppress it. We can see that the Ukrainian army is also guilty of sexual assault: Amnesty International accessed the government-controlled territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions between January and November 2019. The organisation has had no access to the separatist-controlled areas, which fall beyond the scope of the report. Official statistics on domestic violence, however unreliable and incomplete, show a spike of registered cases in the last three years. In 2018, there was a 76% increase in reported cases in Donetsk region and a 158% increase in Luhansk region, compared to the average of the previous three years. Source: Amnesty International Even before Russia got directly involved, the Ukrainian army was sexually assaulting the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region as they were shelling the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago The comment you replied to, here, was specifically talking about how the Soviets liberated the world from the threat of the Nazis. Your counter was that some members of the Red Army committed atrocities against civilians, which is true but doesn't negate that all armies were committing atrocities, and the Red Army took it the most seriously by executing rapists. What's your point, then? Would the Nazis winning the war be the "good guys" winning, in your eyes? Or are you under the mistaken impression that the war could have been won without the tremendous price paid by the Soviet people? You were the one that brought in the Russian Federation's Army, trying to make a point that Russians are bad, period, no matter if they are liberating the world from the Nazis or not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (4 children) Correct, what's your point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Spell out your point or shutup, stop being cryptic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent
[+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Spell out your point or shutup, stop being cryptic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children) Spell out your point or shutup, stop being cryptic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent
[+] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago I'll take it from your immediate descent into lazy personal attacks that you don't actually have a point permalink fedilink source parent