▲ 368 ▼ Meta's upcoming AcitivityPub-enabled app Threads will only come with an "import from Mastodon" option. The new network won't federate on day one. (mastodon.social) submitted 3 years ago by giallo@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org 119 comments fedilink hide all child comments Full report is on The Verge.
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 40 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Why is noone talking about GDPR data deletion request and copyright striking them into oblivion? Last I checked noone gave them permission to grab any of our data, much less profit off it. Let them pay fines to the grave. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 18 points 3 years ago (5 children) By that logic though all of Fediverse is illegal and should be shut down. There is significant work to be done there, not just by Facebook but by the Fediverse community on the whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) "Illegal" is a harsh term, I'd rather say "legally naive". There's no TOS anywhere saying things like "you give us the right to publish the comments you enter" which would clarify things but if you were to take an ordinary instance to court, you'd probably be thrown out with reference to you implicitly agreeing to have your comments published by, well, writing and submitting them. Licenses are ruled by contracts and contracts don't necessarily need written form. Meta is a whole another thing, though, because now we're not only talking publishing, but straight commercial exploitation of your content. There's no equability to be seen anywhere, meta doesn't contribute to the maintenance of your home instance, it straight-up leeches your content to put it next to ads. An implicit license doesn't suffice for that, a written one might not even (because no equability), that's why all the corps have TOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* If you post a comment on a publicly accessable page, there is an expectation that what you've posted will also be public. That's implied consent and doesn't require signing a contract. In fact, the EU generally takes the position that a Terms of Service agreement is pretty much worthless. Nobody actually reads those documents, so the terms in them cannot be enforced. A TOS clarifies what a company/organisation will do with user entered content, but in terms of what can legally be done with the data the TOS doesn't apply. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It is absolutely not illegal. But it is subject to GDPR, so I could send a deletion request to the admin of an instance, and they would have to delete my content on their instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lotanis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) GDPR covers "Personally Identifying Information". If you sign up with an annoymous username I wonder if GDPR even applies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madkarlsson@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago In general, any data that can be used to tack you, such as IP number that is sent with the request, is identifiable information so an anonymous username is not enough in itself permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mummelpuffin@beehaw.org 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The Fediverse doesn't require that anyone provide any personal information, though. Literally none. It's the user's responsibility to choose not to post any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Certainly, but when you make a comment or post it gets transferred to all federated servers without your express consent and you currently can't permanently delete anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago True but won't be hard to fix in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago all of Fediverse is illegal and should be shut down. truth hits hard... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Your comments and posts are PII. It doesn't apply, at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 18 points 3 years ago (5 children) By that logic though all of Fediverse is illegal and should be shut down. There is significant work to be done there, not just by Facebook but by the Fediverse community on the whole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) "Illegal" is a harsh term, I'd rather say "legally naive". There's no TOS anywhere saying things like "you give us the right to publish the comments you enter" which would clarify things but if you were to take an ordinary instance to court, you'd probably be thrown out with reference to you implicitly agreeing to have your comments published by, well, writing and submitting them. Licenses are ruled by contracts and contracts don't necessarily need written form. Meta is a whole another thing, though, because now we're not only talking publishing, but straight commercial exploitation of your content. There's no equability to be seen anywhere, meta doesn't contribute to the maintenance of your home instance, it straight-up leeches your content to put it next to ads. An implicit license doesn't suffice for that, a written one might not even (because no equability), that's why all the corps have TOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* If you post a comment on a publicly accessable page, there is an expectation that what you've posted will also be public. That's implied consent and doesn't require signing a contract. In fact, the EU generally takes the position that a Terms of Service agreement is pretty much worthless. Nobody actually reads those documents, so the terms in them cannot be enforced. A TOS clarifies what a company/organisation will do with user entered content, but in terms of what can legally be done with the data the TOS doesn't apply. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It is absolutely not illegal. But it is subject to GDPR, so I could send a deletion request to the admin of an instance, and they would have to delete my content on their instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lotanis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) GDPR covers "Personally Identifying Information". If you sign up with an annoymous username I wonder if GDPR even applies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madkarlsson@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago In general, any data that can be used to tack you, such as IP number that is sent with the request, is identifiable information so an anonymous username is not enough in itself permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mummelpuffin@beehaw.org 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The Fediverse doesn't require that anyone provide any personal information, though. Literally none. It's the user's responsibility to choose not to post any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Certainly, but when you make a comment or post it gets transferred to all federated servers without your express consent and you currently can't permanently delete anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago True but won't be hard to fix in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago all of Fediverse is illegal and should be shut down. truth hits hard... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telodzrum@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Your comments and posts are PII. It doesn't apply, at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) "Illegal" is a harsh term, I'd rather say "legally naive". There's no TOS anywhere saying things like "you give us the right to publish the comments you enter" which would clarify things but if you were to take an ordinary instance to court, you'd probably be thrown out with reference to you implicitly agreeing to have your comments published by, well, writing and submitting them. Licenses are ruled by contracts and contracts don't necessarily need written form. Meta is a whole another thing, though, because now we're not only talking publishing, but straight commercial exploitation of your content. There's no equability to be seen anywhere, meta doesn't contribute to the maintenance of your home instance, it straight-up leeches your content to put it next to ads. An implicit license doesn't suffice for that, a written one might not even (because no equability), that's why all the corps have TOS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* If you post a comment on a publicly accessable page, there is an expectation that what you've posted will also be public. That's implied consent and doesn't require signing a contract. In fact, the EU generally takes the position that a Terms of Service agreement is pretty much worthless. Nobody actually reads those documents, so the terms in them cannot be enforced. A TOS clarifies what a company/organisation will do with user entered content, but in terms of what can legally be done with the data the TOS doesn't apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* If you post a comment on a publicly accessable page, there is an expectation that what you've posted will also be public. That's implied consent and doesn't require signing a contract. In fact, the EU generally takes the position that a Terms of Service agreement is pretty much worthless. Nobody actually reads those documents, so the terms in them cannot be enforced. A TOS clarifies what a company/organisation will do with user entered content, but in terms of what can legally be done with the data the TOS doesn't apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gloriousspearfish@feddit.dk 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It is absolutely not illegal. But it is subject to GDPR, so I could send a deletion request to the admin of an instance, and they would have to delete my content on their instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lotanis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) GDPR covers "Personally Identifying Information". If you sign up with an annoymous username I wonder if GDPR even applies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madkarlsson@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago In general, any data that can be used to tack you, such as IP number that is sent with the request, is identifiable information so an anonymous username is not enough in itself permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lotanis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) GDPR covers "Personally Identifying Information". If you sign up with an annoymous username I wonder if GDPR even applies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] madkarlsson@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago In general, any data that can be used to tack you, such as IP number that is sent with the request, is identifiable information so an anonymous username is not enough in itself permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madkarlsson@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago In general, any data that can be used to tack you, such as IP number that is sent with the request, is identifiable information so an anonymous username is not enough in itself permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mummelpuffin@beehaw.org 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) The Fediverse doesn't require that anyone provide any personal information, though. Literally none. It's the user's responsibility to choose not to post any. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Certainly, but when you make a comment or post it gets transferred to all federated servers without your express consent and you currently can't permanently delete anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago True but won't be hard to fix in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zenithseeker@feddit.uk 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Certainly, but when you make a comment or post it gets transferred to all federated servers without your express consent and you currently can't permanently delete anything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago True but won't be hard to fix in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LimitedBrain@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago True but won't be hard to fix in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 3 years ago all of Fediverse is illegal and should be shut down. truth hits hard... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Your comments and posts are PII. It doesn't apply, at all. permalink fedilink source parent