Farmer relies on government grants and immigrant workers.

Farmer votes for candidate who vows to block government grants and immigrant workers.

Farmer is surprised when government grants and immigrant workers are blocked.

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[–] 25 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Americans, even if they're paid well, will not go stand in the sun for 12 hours a day. Sometimes it's not about money. Sometimes it's about the job being shit and you need to change the job.

But also money.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    In Australia, Construction workers, mining workers, etc. do that. They are just compensated well for it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sounds like they need improved worker protections. Maybe unionize.

    12 hours of work a day is inappropriate.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Trade jobs can be surprisingly seasonal. My dad, who does mostly commercial HVAC work, works himself to the bone in early spring and fall. Plenty of downtime, usually, outside of those areas.

    If you're hourly, or laid off in the downtime, you want to work when you can. Even if it's for 12 hours straight.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    12 hours of work a day is inappropriate.

    I did that for years, its so they can run two shifts, had lots of days off though. I worked 14 on 7 off, then 8 on 6 off. Some are 7 on 7 off. 12 hr shift though. They are also paid extremely well. All meals are paid for etc.

    What they don't get is a "normal life ", lots of marital breakdows, spousal abuse when they do get home, parters cheating etc.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd have to be making well upwards of six figures to be willing to stand in the sun for 12 hours a day.

    The jobs that pay the least are the ones that should pay the most.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The jobs that pay the least are the ones that should pay the most.

    Dave Graeber made the pont about some of the most important jobs there are, end up with shitty wages and conditions. What's more important then food? without it, nothing else can happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The pay does do it for some jobs. I was up on a rooftop in -10F wind at 1AM for several hours a month ago fixing a furnace. But I was being paid $50 per hour (in a very low COL area) to do it so I was happy to do it and would be hapy to do it again. I regualrly have to crawl around in the nastiest places in places like meat cutting plants, work in -20F freezers, or on rooftops in scorching heat, but I get paid well to do it and my employer treats me well so I can say I actually love my job. People will not only put up with some miserable conditions if you pay them enough and treat them well but they will often even enjoy it.

    The problem is farm work is miserable while still paying like shit and, to top it all off, usually the ones in charge are entitled assholes like the one in the article.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    The oil/gas industry is a counter example to this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    those jobs are also super dangerous too. usually it targets the same people that votes trump anyways, because thier state doesnt have much of an economy outside of oil or gas.

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