▲ 534 ▼ Bambu Lab Firmware Update Forces Cloud Dependency & User Lock-In - AVOID THEIR 3D PRINTERS! (youtu.be) submitted 2 years ago by ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org to c/3dprinting@lemmy.world 138 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tht@social.pwned.page 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm still on an ender 3 permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org [S] 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, I don't own my own printer yet, and I plan on buying Prusa because they're (still mostly) open-source and respect the user, even though every Tom, Dick and Harry tells me to get a Bambu printer because they're three times cheaper and better. This is why I won't get a Bambu printer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're not open source anymore. You can't be mostly open source, you either are or are not. IMO they started exactly the same path Bambu goes (though Bambu has a great head start). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I admit this is speculation, but I got the impression that Prusa is moving away from open source because they're salty about other companies cloning their products and selling them much cheaper than the "original" parts. Proprietary parts, patents, etc. is of course worse for the user than a fully open ecosystem, but he isn't necessarily going full anti-consumer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knezi@mastodon.arch-linux.cz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) @fhein @rikudou I think it was easy for them to stay FOSS when they had not "real" competition, now that they lacking behind BL, they got emotional and started kicking around. My 2cents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's certainly possible. They are pretty explicit on it though, at least. "For some products, we do not release the full PCB manufacturing layouts, as we do not want to support manufacturing of untested clone boards. " https://www.prusa3d.com/page/open-source-at-prusa-research_236812/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, you either can afford Prusa or you can't. A Chinese fake Prusa knockoff is in no way interesting to people who want and expect the Prusa quality (though I haven't had much luck with the fabled quality myself, the printer needed fixing multiple times). And people who can't afford a Prusa are not a potential customer anyway. So cheap knockoffs are not stealing any customers. Bambu is who's stealing Prusa's customers en masse and Prusa decided that they're gonna slowly lock down their ecosystem while benefiting from years of open source by other people and projects. Which is, ironically enough, their stated reason for locking their ecosystem - people benefiting from their open source work while being closed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org [S] 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, I don't own my own printer yet, and I plan on buying Prusa because they're (still mostly) open-source and respect the user, even though every Tom, Dick and Harry tells me to get a Bambu printer because they're three times cheaper and better. This is why I won't get a Bambu printer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're not open source anymore. You can't be mostly open source, you either are or are not. IMO they started exactly the same path Bambu goes (though Bambu has a great head start). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I admit this is speculation, but I got the impression that Prusa is moving away from open source because they're salty about other companies cloning their products and selling them much cheaper than the "original" parts. Proprietary parts, patents, etc. is of course worse for the user than a fully open ecosystem, but he isn't necessarily going full anti-consumer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knezi@mastodon.arch-linux.cz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) @fhein @rikudou I think it was easy for them to stay FOSS when they had not "real" competition, now that they lacking behind BL, they got emotional and started kicking around. My 2cents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's certainly possible. They are pretty explicit on it though, at least. "For some products, we do not release the full PCB manufacturing layouts, as we do not want to support manufacturing of untested clone boards. " https://www.prusa3d.com/page/open-source-at-prusa-research_236812/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, you either can afford Prusa or you can't. A Chinese fake Prusa knockoff is in no way interesting to people who want and expect the Prusa quality (though I haven't had much luck with the fabled quality myself, the printer needed fixing multiple times). And people who can't afford a Prusa are not a potential customer anyway. So cheap knockoffs are not stealing any customers. Bambu is who's stealing Prusa's customers en masse and Prusa decided that they're gonna slowly lock down their ecosystem while benefiting from years of open source by other people and projects. Which is, ironically enough, their stated reason for locking their ecosystem - people benefiting from their open source work while being closed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're not open source anymore. You can't be mostly open source, you either are or are not. IMO they started exactly the same path Bambu goes (though Bambu has a great head start). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I admit this is speculation, but I got the impression that Prusa is moving away from open source because they're salty about other companies cloning their products and selling them much cheaper than the "original" parts. Proprietary parts, patents, etc. is of course worse for the user than a fully open ecosystem, but he isn't necessarily going full anti-consumer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knezi@mastodon.arch-linux.cz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) @fhein @rikudou I think it was easy for them to stay FOSS when they had not "real" competition, now that they lacking behind BL, they got emotional and started kicking around. My 2cents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's certainly possible. They are pretty explicit on it though, at least. "For some products, we do not release the full PCB manufacturing layouts, as we do not want to support manufacturing of untested clone boards. " https://www.prusa3d.com/page/open-source-at-prusa-research_236812/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, you either can afford Prusa or you can't. A Chinese fake Prusa knockoff is in no way interesting to people who want and expect the Prusa quality (though I haven't had much luck with the fabled quality myself, the printer needed fixing multiple times). And people who can't afford a Prusa are not a potential customer anyway. So cheap knockoffs are not stealing any customers. Bambu is who's stealing Prusa's customers en masse and Prusa decided that they're gonna slowly lock down their ecosystem while benefiting from years of open source by other people and projects. Which is, ironically enough, their stated reason for locking their ecosystem - people benefiting from their open source work while being closed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fhein@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) I admit this is speculation, but I got the impression that Prusa is moving away from open source because they're salty about other companies cloning their products and selling them much cheaper than the "original" parts. Proprietary parts, patents, etc. is of course worse for the user than a fully open ecosystem, but he isn't necessarily going full anti-consumer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] knezi@mastodon.arch-linux.cz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) @fhein @rikudou I think it was easy for them to stay FOSS when they had not "real" competition, now that they lacking behind BL, they got emotional and started kicking around. My 2cents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's certainly possible. They are pretty explicit on it though, at least. "For some products, we do not release the full PCB manufacturing layouts, as we do not want to support manufacturing of untested clone boards. " https://www.prusa3d.com/page/open-source-at-prusa-research_236812/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, you either can afford Prusa or you can't. A Chinese fake Prusa knockoff is in no way interesting to people who want and expect the Prusa quality (though I haven't had much luck with the fabled quality myself, the printer needed fixing multiple times). And people who can't afford a Prusa are not a potential customer anyway. So cheap knockoffs are not stealing any customers. Bambu is who's stealing Prusa's customers en masse and Prusa decided that they're gonna slowly lock down their ecosystem while benefiting from years of open source by other people and projects. Which is, ironically enough, their stated reason for locking their ecosystem - people benefiting from their open source work while being closed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knezi@mastodon.arch-linux.cz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) @fhein @rikudou I think it was easy for them to stay FOSS when they had not "real" competition, now that they lacking behind BL, they got emotional and started kicking around. My 2cents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago Seems pretty spot on and it has been this way for years. Even in 2020 when I bought my first printer, Prusa was charging $1,000 for a printer that everyone else was selling for $300-$400. They only maintained through that due to good will from the community and the rest of the market outside of Creality being little cottage-type businesses that weren't selling high volume. Even now in addition to the closed-source boards, they have a closed-source cloud-based smartphone app Here's a 2 year old post on reddit bringing up the same concerns: https://www.reddit.com/r/prusa3d/comments/10g6fgv/prusa_giving_up_on_its_open_source_roots/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's certainly possible. They are pretty explicit on it though, at least. "For some products, we do not release the full PCB manufacturing layouts, as we do not want to support manufacturing of untested clone boards. " https://www.prusa3d.com/page/open-source-at-prusa-research_236812/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fhein@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Found the blog post that I was thinking of, with a little more about Prusa's relation with opene source. https://blog.prusa3d.com/the-state-of-open-source-in-3d-printing-in-2023_76659/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, you either can afford Prusa or you can't. A Chinese fake Prusa knockoff is in no way interesting to people who want and expect the Prusa quality (though I haven't had much luck with the fabled quality myself, the printer needed fixing multiple times). And people who can't afford a Prusa are not a potential customer anyway. So cheap knockoffs are not stealing any customers. Bambu is who's stealing Prusa's customers en masse and Prusa decided that they're gonna slowly lock down their ecosystem while benefiting from years of open source by other people and projects. Which is, ironically enough, their stated reason for locking their ecosystem - people benefiting from their open source work while being closed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fhein@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The most common reasons to buy Prusa that I have heard are their 24/7 support, warranty and wanting to support a European company. I'm not entirely up to date with Chinese manufacturers, so things could have changed, but at least in the past Fysetc, Blurolls and even Trianglelab seemed to be on par, or even exceeding, Prusa quality for printers and parts. permalink fedilink source parent