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But "socialism" is a scary word (slrpnk.net)
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[–] 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

To be fair, when you said you get enough sealioning from transphobes on other instances, that implies that there are transphobes on Hexbear. If that's not what you mean, then I apologize for misunderstanding. As for ableism, calling people "crazy" is ableist and shouldn't be done.

Regardless, when you spend a good amount of time complaining about Hexbear and other Marxists and Anarchists unprompted, you shouldn't be surprised by pushback. A good number of people on Hexbear are members of orgs and parties, at higher rates than other instances, so the idea that they just read theory and never touch grass is also pretty wrong.

Either way, getting extremely defensive and hostile when you deliberately attack other users is pretty toxic behavior.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I never said that there were transphobes on other instances - I said that your sea-lioning behavior was alike that of transphobes on other forms of social media and then directly referenced Twitter and Reddit. As is the cherry-picking.

    Also, unprompted? This entire thread, including the removed original comment, has been about the political leanings of Lemmy as a whole, and my comment was that we're so left-wing, that even our extremists are left-wing - a point that you continue to ignore. The only complaining about specific groups I've done has been the direct result of demands by you and others to specify who I mean. Should I have referred to them as extremists or maybe radicalists? Because that's what caused you to demand that I specify who I was talking about in the first place.

    Again:

    Reread my comments and the quotes about the defederation of Hexbear and have a look in the mirror: You and others here are guilty of the same behavior that caused people to demand the defederation of Hexbear from multiple instances.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The original comment was also out of nowhere, they just wanted to complain about the presence of Marxists (which they proceded to do throughout this thread), and which you are perpetuating to an extent. It was originally unprompted and continues to be.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The original post was in response to the meme's statement that people hate capitalism but don't know that they hate capitalism, saying that there are few people on Lemmy who don't specifically blame the problems of capitalism on capitalism (in short, "fuck capitalism, all my homies hate capitalism"), with the criticism I read being directed at pro-authoritarian regime people, not pro-communism. The fact that people took criticism of those who handwave away the wrongdoings of oligarchies because they espouse to be socialist/communist as an attack on communists says more about them than it does the OP.

    A perfect summary of their point and mine that I realized after being reminded that r/theDonald was a thing is that Lemmy is so leftist that our version of r/theDonald would be r/thePutin. Although, with the current state of the Republican party, that might be a more conservative leaning sub than one would expect...

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The thing is, on parts of Lemmy there is a widespread notion that it isn't the ones reading theory, joining parties and unions, and discussing with fellow comrades who are the real Communists. This notion, in my experience, has come entirely from non-Marxists, and I don't mean Marxists that haven't passed some vague purity test, I mean people who openly admit to not being a fan of Marxism or not being Marxists in general. These people usually have extremely simplistic views of Communism, yet think themseleves an authority on Communism to speak over people who have read theory and take it seriously. They also frequently misrepresent the views of Communists, and as a result run into friction when Communists either try to correct them or give into frustration and call them out.

    When I say Hexbear, Lemmygrad, etc are Marxists and Anarchists, I say that based on the fact that I read theory and take it seriously. The idea that there are Real Communists out there that significantly diverge from those on Hexbear and Lemmygrad is not really backed up by anything. The consensus views of Hexbear and Lemmygrad are very standard for practicing Communist parties, outside of fringe ideologies like Gonzaloism.

    What I'm trying to get at here is that by intentionally shutting yourself off of Communists, you start to form visions of what said Communists believe that aren't connected to reality, and the more you dismiss and block (be it by defederation, personal blocking, etc) the more distorted from reality this vision of the average Lemmy Communist becomes.

    The fact is, Lemmy Communists hate Putin and the Russian Federation and see it as an incredible tragedy that the former Soviet Union went from a good, Socialist state to a brutal Capitalist country, but they understand that Russia has to fight US dominance in order to survive, and see that as a temporary good move. It's an "enemy of my enemy" situation, not enthused support, and yet by shutting yourself out you act like there is some Putin fanclub on Lemmy.

    I dunno, this turned into a bit of a longer comment than I intended, my goal was more to get you to reconsider how you percieve Marxists and people you disagree with in general like Communists as it seems to be causing friction.

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