▲ 192 ▼ again with the Marx? (lemmygrad.ml) submitted 3 years ago by LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml to c/memes@lemmygrad.ml 15 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've always interpreted Marx's concepts of alienation as talking about mental health issues. More recently people have definitely began to link the material conditions of capitalism with mental health issues, although a specifically Marxist writing on the topic doesn't spring to mind right now. It's also clear to me, both from lived experience as well as various things I've read, that dealing with this alienation labour is almost entirely the same as dealing with common mental health issues such as depression/anxiety, loneliness, and the existential question of what the purpose of my life is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago* this is what happens when I don't reload the page before posting a comment, a better comment was posted while I was still writing 👻 permalink fedilink source parent [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) capitalist alienation is a significant cause/worsener of mental health issues, and he certainly did write about that (although the Solution is Revolution(TM) so there's no individual solution there) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago For those that need to look it up like I did... The theoretical basis of alienation is that a worker invariably loses the ability to determine life and destiny when deprived of the right to think (conceive) of themselves as the directo inr of their own actions; to determine the character of said actions; to define relationships with other people; and to own those items of value from goods and services, produced by their own labour. Although the worker is an autonomous, self-realized human being, as an economic entity this worker is directed to goals and diverted to activities that are dictated by the bourgeoisie—who own the means of production—in order to extract from the worker the maximum amount of surplus value in the course of business competition among industrialists. —Wikipedia permalink fedilink source parent [–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Since very good answers already been done I just go with an anecdote from a therapist. Therapy is good but money really makes a difference.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago Just something a therapist said can't remember the exact wording. If you don't have to worry about surviving, you will have better mental health. permalink fedilink source parent [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -12 points 3 years ago (13 children) I'm fairly certain that their view was "get over it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago* (3 children) nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source? my source is that I made it the fuck up! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -10 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're telling me I'm wrong, you prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (6 children) No, you fuck off. For the dumb: Back around the time of Marx, people had two solutions for mental health. Either go to church, or get over it. No reason to assume he though differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not only are you mean, but you don't know what you're talking about. What are you good for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago No reason to assume he though differently. No reason except for all his writings about the solutions to alienation. What a moronic take dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've always interpreted Marx's concepts of alienation as talking about mental health issues. More recently people have definitely began to link the material conditions of capitalism with mental health issues, although a specifically Marxist writing on the topic doesn't spring to mind right now. It's also clear to me, both from lived experience as well as various things I've read, that dealing with this alienation labour is almost entirely the same as dealing with common mental health issues such as depression/anxiety, loneliness, and the existential question of what the purpose of my life is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago* this is what happens when I don't reload the page before posting a comment, a better comment was posted while I was still writing 👻 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago* this is what happens when I don't reload the page before posting a comment, a better comment was posted while I was still writing 👻 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) capitalist alienation is a significant cause/worsener of mental health issues, and he certainly did write about that (although the Solution is Revolution(TM) so there's no individual solution there) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago For those that need to look it up like I did... The theoretical basis of alienation is that a worker invariably loses the ability to determine life and destiny when deprived of the right to think (conceive) of themselves as the directo inr of their own actions; to determine the character of said actions; to define relationships with other people; and to own those items of value from goods and services, produced by their own labour. Although the worker is an autonomous, self-realized human being, as an economic entity this worker is directed to goals and diverted to activities that are dictated by the bourgeoisie—who own the means of production—in order to extract from the worker the maximum amount of surplus value in the course of business competition among industrialists. —Wikipedia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago For those that need to look it up like I did... The theoretical basis of alienation is that a worker invariably loses the ability to determine life and destiny when deprived of the right to think (conceive) of themselves as the directo inr of their own actions; to determine the character of said actions; to define relationships with other people; and to own those items of value from goods and services, produced by their own labour. Although the worker is an autonomous, self-realized human being, as an economic entity this worker is directed to goals and diverted to activities that are dictated by the bourgeoisie—who own the means of production—in order to extract from the worker the maximum amount of surplus value in the course of business competition among industrialists. —Wikipedia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Since very good answers already been done I just go with an anecdote from a therapist. Therapy is good but money really makes a difference.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago Just something a therapist said can't remember the exact wording. If you don't have to worry about surviving, you will have better mental health. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago Just something a therapist said can't remember the exact wording. If you don't have to worry about surviving, you will have better mental health. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml [S] 2 points 3 years ago Just something a therapist said can't remember the exact wording. If you don't have to worry about surviving, you will have better mental health. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -12 points 3 years ago (13 children) I'm fairly certain that their view was "get over it". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago* (3 children) nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source? my source is that I made it the fuck up! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -10 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're telling me I'm wrong, you prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (6 children) No, you fuck off. For the dumb: Back around the time of Marx, people had two solutions for mental health. Either go to church, or get over it. No reason to assume he though differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not only are you mean, but you don't know what you're talking about. What are you good for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago No reason to assume he though differently. No reason except for all his writings about the solutions to alienation. What a moronic take dude. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago* (3 children) nice argument senator, why don't you back it up with a source? my source is that I made it the fuck up! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -10 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're telling me I'm wrong, you prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -10 points 3 years ago (2 children) You're telling me I'm wrong, you prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent
[–] absolutefuckinidiot@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago Mf hasn’t even taken a single high school debate class and thinks he’s smart lol, classic western lib permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (6 children) No, you fuck off. For the dumb: Back around the time of Marx, people had two solutions for mental health. Either go to church, or get over it. No reason to assume he though differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not only are you mean, but you don't know what you're talking about. What are you good for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago No reason to assume he though differently. No reason except for all his writings about the solutions to alienation. What a moronic take dude. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (6 children) No, you fuck off. For the dumb: Back around the time of Marx, people had two solutions for mental health. Either go to church, or get over it. No reason to assume he though differently. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not only are you mean, but you don't know what you're talking about. What are you good for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago No reason to assume he though differently. No reason except for all his writings about the solutions to alienation. What a moronic take dude. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not only are you mean, but you don't know what you're talking about. What are you good for? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org -9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Well, I'm probably only good for manual labor. So let's make a facility where you can put everyone who isn't good for anything else and make them work. Since people like me won't come voluntarily you'll have to create an armed force that can take me there against my will. That's ok though, because it's for the good of all of the "good" people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Sunforged@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago No reason to assume he though differently. No reason except for all his writings about the solutions to alienation. What a moronic take dude. permalink fedilink source parent
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