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'Very troubling': Leader of 'Abandon Harris' movement now anxious about Trump appointees (www.rawstory.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/23598266

Summary

Key leaders of the “Abandon Harris” movement, which encouraged voters to oppose Kamala Harris due to U.S. support for Israel during the Gaza war, are now expressing unease about Trump’s incoming administration.

Many in the movement, including prominent Muslim leaders, voted for Trump hoping he would bring peace to the Middle East.

However, concerns are growing over his Cabinet picks, such as Mike Huckabee and Tulsi Gabbard, which some see as troubling for Muslim communities.

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[–] -5 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I no longer have solidarity with Palestine. I cared when Biden was in office because there was some hope of influencing the DNC. Now there's no hope of that and from what I've heard the free Palestine movement was part of the reason we lost. Sow, Reap. Solidarity goes both ways and I have too much to worry about just keeping my remaining trans friends alive.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    My country's politics are shitty so now I don't care about an ongoing genocide? What the fuck did I just read

    You can care about two things. More even. Cutting your solidarity with Palestine over this is pathetic, I find it hard to believe you had any in the first place if this is enough to break it.

    And let's not forget that "people who generally agree with me except don't like supporting genocide" are much less of an issue than "people who think my trans friends are mentally ill cis people, hate all immigrants and actively encourage the genocide." Tens of millions voted for Trump. They are the problem.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Oh wow, look at all this misrepresentation of what I just said. How intelligent and honest of you.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You said you no longer have solidarity. What did I misinterpret?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    I'm not going to put a thought towards helping Palestine now because the people who advocated for it stabbed everyone else in the back. No solidarity for us from them, no solidarity for them from us. I'm not going to ally with someone who actively fucked over everyone in a bid that had no chance of winning them anything. That's not how political allyship works. They can go fuck themselves. Furthermore, even if I wasn't this bitter, it wouldn't matter because there's literally nothing I can do now.

    Edit: you're probably going to say something stupid like them not being a significant part of the electorate. Doesn't matter. Elections are made of thousands of decisions, and each one against Harris was one that contributed. The blame is shared.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So you have decided that the people suffering a genocide don't get your help because of how people who "advocated for it" behaved? Literally punishing people who did nothing wrong. You are not obligated to, of course, but as a moral stance it fucking sucks.

    The people who advocated for it that I saw (including myself) tended to say "this terrible policy will lose Harris votes, she should change it." And they were right. The people who fucked you over were the ones who told you it would all be fine because Trump is worse and apparently because they thought the American electorate were super logical?

    Blame the people who's fault it actually is. The people who misjudged how the policy would affect turnout. And the people who actually support Trump, of whom there are way too fucking many.

    Furthermore, even if I wasn't this bitter, it wouldn't matter because there's literally nothing I can do now.

    There wasn't much you could do anyway, unfortunately. But it's the same now. You can advocate. Vocally support BDS. Biden didn't care anyway and Harris said she would continue to support Israel.

    Obviously I agree that you should prioritise, but it seems a little silly to turn your back on something I'm sure you agree with just because the DNC fucked you by ignoring voters and losing the election to Trump.

    Imo if you're resisting Trump you're all on the same side.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    just because the DNC fucked you by ignoring voters

    In a democracy, the responsibility for deciding who holds the reigns of power lies with the voters. I'm blaming everyone who voted for Trump and those who discouraged others from voting for Harris.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    And you're punishing the Palestinians for it, for some reason.

    Trump is an embarrassment worldwide. And the DNC lost to him twice. If that can't get you to criticise them I don't know what will.

    Blame the voters to some extent, sure. People are stupid. But it's the party's job to win the votes. If that wasn't true why campaign at all?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    The voters can't be blamed for the lack of choice they were offered. The fault lies exclusively with the people who have real agency in this situation, the parties and their billionaire donors.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    from what I've heard the free Palestine movement was part of the reason we lost.

    That's definitely not true. People who cared about Palestine enough to not vote for Harris are chump change compared to the numbers she lost by. I mean Trump got all swing states, literally all seven. Getting Michigan would've only made her loss seem less terrible. This is the DNC's, and America's, fault, not something that happened because some people didn't want to fund genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    America isn't real, it was made up by rich people to dodge English taxes.

    The fault lies entirely with the owners of this country and the political parties they assembled to manage the oligarchy.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    An election is decided by millions of small decisions. A thousand different things add up to a massive defeat. Frankly, I think you're one of the idiots that decided not to vote for her or encouraged others to abstain and now you're reaching for any shit justification to believe you're not at fault for what's going to happen now.

    Anyone who could've voted for Harris but didn't is part of the problem and shares in the blame. Anyone who discouraged people from voting for Harris is even more worthy of blame. If any of you are reading this: it's your fault. The blood of people who killed themselves after the election is already on your hands and there's more to follow.

    I have no sympathy.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You got called out for being a Nazi.

    right back at you pal. Go ahead and throw your temper tantrum, but know that come 2028

    won't happen. you guys seriously don't fucking get it do you? I can't even imagine being so shortsighted that I can't even see what the fuck is happening in the next six weeks.

    either way, start acting like you're in a coalition, because thats reality whether you like it or not.

    I've always, ALWAYS, held firm that the US should be a protector of the disenfranchised or unprotected. after this election I realized I was wrong.

    We don't have to do anything of the sort. My charity is empty. My sympathy is gone. At this point, I'm focused 100% on fixing America and American interests.

    If people in some far off land have to die so that we can give LGBTQA+ people a place to feel safe so be it.

    If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now.

    Make no mistake, it's not out of a sense of national pride. it's not from a source of hatred or prejudice. I will protect my national interests because I have been given no other choice but to impose American authority because American ideals are being eroded and attacked by those who beg for help.

    you're drowning in a sea of hatred, and I refuse to let you take me with you.

    I don't hate you, I just don't care about you unless you're American or support American interests.

    It was so bad that the mod, someone I would personally describe as a right wing Democrat, was pointing out that it was fascist speech.

    You did say:

    "If non-Americans have to die to protect the interests that empower America so that my kids can grow up in prosperity I will vote to kill them every single time now."

    To which I respond "Well, if the jack-boot fits..."

    If you don't want to be called a Nazi, you need to stop making fascist statements and this quote is LITERALLY fascist.

    You also weren't trolling. That is a hilarious after the fact ego preserving rationalization.

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