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US arrests Navy soldiers, accusing them of spying for China
(abcnews.go.com)
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If you were a German in 1938 and two Wermacht soldiers were accused of spying for the USSR, you would be saying the exact same thing as you are now. I say this not as a dunk, but as a solemn acknowledgement that we are all products of our social environment. I don't think you're stupid, or a "bad person" (whatever that means) but I do think you should stop and consider the path that uncritically accepting your government's narratives about their rivals can lead you down.
You're probably giving them too much credit. The spies would have to be US or UK, or puppets of those regimes, for them to say what we're saying. I suspect they don't favor the USSR over the Nazis.
Doesn't matter, if they were a German in 1938, they would have also hoped the Nazis locked up these communist spies in the same way as they would hope the Nazis would lock up a spy for the US.
(Although I can't help but feel like anyone who would spy for the US supported the Nazis...)
I agree. I'm just saying I don't think the person would sympathize.
Nice WW2 reference from somebody supporting a corrupt genocidal regime lol how many people were starved to death by their dumbass government during the lost decade again? Like 10 million? And last time I checked we aren't holding any minorities in concentration camps like piss ant Pooh boy Lol you deserve to lick that shit stained boot
You must have never checked then, the US has never not had minorities in concentration camps.
Currently, I believe we called them “ICE detention facilities” and “prisons”
85,000 in border camps as of a month ago, iirc
Yes, because letting people who cannot survive on their own, into your country is real smart.
You know the EU is dealing with this same shit from immigrants from the middle east right?
The U.S. and EU shouldn’t be allowed to speak on immigration after all the wars and coups they did in the countries they’re racist about getting immigrants from.
Almost like both sides are wrong and supporting the us government or the Chinese government is both bad.
Just kinda seems like China is a little more blatantly evil..
https://www.fao.org/documents/card/en/c/cc0639en
The report here shows in Table A1.1 that the rate of undernourishment in 2004-6 was 7% and in 2019-21 was less than 2.5% (the lowest level they report).
So, as far as I can tell, China has made strides in feeding its population. Isn’t that a good thing?
Sure. That’s a single specific instance of a good thing. You can do the same for the US.
Reminds me of the phrase, “good people do bad things and bad people do good things.”
I sincerely don’t understand how anyone can be so supportive towards ANY government.
Support the people, not the tyrants.
I confused you for the other person who was accusing China of starving millions of people.
Is it really that hard to believe that not every government is tyrannical, and that some actually care about their citizens though?
Sure. Not the Chinese government tho.
Support the people not the government, is my opinion.
Why are you so pro ccp?
Until we reach some kind of stateless Communist society, what exactly do you want? The U.S. to overthrow the government and install sympathizers to its own interests?
Never said that. Those aren’t my words.
And no. That’s exactly the opposite of what I want. What I want is for the US and the CCP to stop doing shitty things. And for the best interest of the people to be the specific reason for decisions. This opinion of mine applies to all governments. Including the shit stains that run the US.
You also didn’t answer my question. Why support the ccp specifically and not the people?
You just answered your question for me. I believe the democratic centralism in the CPC enables it to make its decisions based on the best interests of the people.
Also, why would I support the CPC and not support the people? That doesn’t make any sense. Surely someone supporting the CPC wouldn’t do so because they don’t support the people…
Again, never accused you of having the opinion that is “not supporting the people”. Not what I said. Those aren’t my words.
I do understand how you could misinterpret, but to be clear: I’m arguing that it’s better to just support the people, not the current government in place in China. I believe this because their government absolutely doesn’t have the best interests of the people in mind.
This isn’t really going anywhere constructive so I’m going to stop engaging. I hope you have a nice day!
Congratulations, you managed to almost fit every deranged liberal take into one post. You forgot to try to squeeze something about social credit in there.
Says the lemmygrad user
Is that supposed to be a comeback? Like yes, I do in fact have a cohesive worldview that isnt just "me country good, other country bad"
They're just hoping you have epilepsy and get a seizure from clicking on their profile I think
Interesting picture, I like it. Thanks for sharing.