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I like a good UX (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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Not hating on open source, just let people use what fits their expectations and needs and stop deterring them with gatekeeping :P

UX = user experience

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[–] 123 points 3 years ago (31 children)

FOSS can pay the rent. But the users that will complain about £20 for a lifetime of ad removal, definitely aren't going to be the ones that help him should the bank come calling about late mortgage payments.

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  • [–] 125 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (13 children)

    This is the same crap I left /r/Linux for way back in the day, so so so many people who are all "Linux is the best way and you're stupid for even considering windows or mac" but unable to see realities. Yes, of course I love linux and FOSS, I use it as my primary driver, but we live in a society where free work doesn't pay for housing.

    You're exactly right, most of the "FOSS Open Source supreme" people will look at an app that was lovingly crafted for months, call it garbage, and then demand they make it free. I just can't even with them.

    Meanwhile I'd love to see the stats on how many hours a week they put into FOSS apps on their own, and if they've given up their jobs to code for FOSS apps for the good of the community.

    I'm a developer. I code mostly proprietary stuff for my company. I'd gladly go code for FOSS projects, but so far my bank is just completely unwilling to cancel my mortgage payments, and my electricity, water, sewer, internet, they all want to be paid too, so unfortunately I'm stuck doing this.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Seriously, I honestly feel like this is a bad look for Lemmy right now. Like who cares how people enjoy Lemmy? Also, why do people care so much about how others spend their money?

    Some of these people don't even realize they are using a closed source app (connect) and have no problem with it, but when price is introduced all of a sudden people are up in arms.

    Don't like the price? Continue to use Sync(with ads) or use the other plethora of FOSS alternatives.

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  • [+] -31 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    I think the issue a lot of folks have is people like yourself always connecting it back to profit/salary. A large portion of us are interested in Linux/technology/foss for personal reasons and this corporate stuff not only reeks but makes enough noise to drown out better long term solutions. Yes I do it professionally too and yes I fight the good fight but we do what we need to do, this dude does not need to do this. UX really just isn't important when we're talking about expanding human capabilities, or I should say UX is important but pretty things aren't. My opinion anyway but I was raised to care about this stuff by one of those wizard beards so to see your attitude is prevalent just sucks, no disrespect and nothing personal.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's fine as your opinion, but it's not a popular one. Many people tried lemmy and left almost immediately because they want a better UI. We come from the old usenet boards so we know what UI was like back then, but now people expect a great UI/UX to use a service. So yes, I understand the principals, but we shouldn't demonize people who pay money for a better experience, and if you're a developer I'm sure you know that a good UX costs some money, but a great UX costs a lot of money.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    I'm all for FOSS (currently working at a company that contributes heavily to FOSS) and am a huge supporter/contributor of FOSS, but the level of entitlement and superiority complex that I've seen from many in the FOSS community (including yours) is highly unappealing, and at times frankly revolting. That's what truly reeks and stains FOSS.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Entitlement? They've taken everything from us, not just software either, have some empathy. All proprietary solutions will die, we have a right to build for the future and we have a right to educate about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I have no qualms about building for the future and educating. I fully support that. What I don't support is the brigading and the lambasting of users who choose to purchase closed or proprietary products. That is their right as much as it is yours to advocate for FOSS.

    If "taking everything from us" is the issue, there are appropriate channels and mechanisms to defend against that. If you don't want your FOSS software to be used in a priority setting, apply the correct licensing models and pursue legal paths. GPL-licensed FOSS is generally and effectively avoided by for-profit organizations. If you purposefully choose MPL or Apache for your license models, that's really your responsibility for legally protecting your FOSS IP. Apply the right licensing model, it is literally a single button to change it if your source is on GitHub.

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  • [+] -29 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Lemmy doesn't have ads. If you have to pay to remove them don't you think something is wrong with that? Why not pay for the community and useful features instead?

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  • [–] 59 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    The ads finance the app, I think that's perfectly fine (in principle).

    I asked the dev a few weeks ago, this app is literally his livelihood. And he has a pretty good track record of delivering good software. Why not support him?

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  • [+] -34 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    If you think more ads is the solution that's good for you. Ads are society's cancer, so I have little choice other than to block it. (Paying to get rid of ads perpetuates the idea that ads are profitable. That's up to you.)

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    So the three options for him to keep developing that we know of are 1) Ads 2) Pay for a license or 3) Fundraising. He offers 1 and 2, and 3 is well known to not work, seriously nobody donates. Check out npm fund and how so little people used it that they just removed it.

    If your only argument is "I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free" then you aren't getting much sympathy from me.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Check out npm fund

    Instructions unclear, I ran the command and now I have a shitcoin called Bitcoin Cash.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago*

    You're not paying to remove ads from Lemmy. You can continue using Lemmy ad-free on mobile via the mobile site or any of the other PWA's or native apps. What you're paying to remove ads from is Sync. The developer has decided that they need to be compensated to sustain the amount of effort developing and maintaining the app requires. If you don't want to pay that price with cash or your eyeballs then don't use it.

    Nobody is forcing you to use Sync, nobody is forcing you to see ads. The beauty of a platform like Lemmy is you have the choice to use whatever client you want. That doesn't mean you're entitled to any of them.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    So for one he's adding an option to fund your instance as well, but also just because it's an app doesn't mean that it also doesn't require money.

    Your argument doesn't come off as "so both should be free" but to me more like "oh yeah I'm surprised Lemmy doesn't have an ad option"

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  • [+] -22 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

    I've been on open source since the early 90s. I know damn well how people make money off of it and who makes money off of it.

    I support none of it if it starts including tracking and ads. It goes against the whole mindset. Google fanboys love it though.

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