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YouTube tests removing viewer counts — here’s what we know (www.tomsguide.com)
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[–] 269 points 2 years ago (8 children)

It’s already really difficult to engage with the content you want to see, but now they’re also taking away the only immediately noticeable metric of a successful video? Genuinely just why

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  • [–] 251 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    They removed the star system a long time ago. They removed the down votes again a few years back.

    They want their algorithm to be the only thing that decides whether you watch a video or not.

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  • [–] 151 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That'll work excellent for all those people trying to find tutorial videos for 'XYZ' when you have no verification data to determine whether it's even a legit tutorial.

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    People who watch tutorial videos only get on, watch the video and then leave. How are they supposed to make tons of advertising revenue from that? No, we must sacrifice that class of video from the platform, in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean you joke, but they're literally doing that to reaction video channels. MXRPlays had his entire channel deleted, despite having millions of subscribers. It was clear for years that someone at youtube had a grudge against them.

    Especially since they deleted their channel. Gave strikes to all their videos, and took the videos down. Buuuuuuut, someone ELSE illegally reuploaded their content, and they can't even report the video because their channel is deleted. The illegal re-uploads have no strikes, no issues, the content stay up, and some OTHER person makes money off of MXRPlays years old content.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    the content creator isn't following the proper system then. You don't need YouTube to do a copyright/IP violation claim. Google is actually opening themselves up to significantly hot water if they are indeed refusing to allow a process for DMCA on creators that are deleted off the platform, as there are severe penalties for not reacting to a DMCA claim when you are a content provider.

    If they actually owned the rights to the videos, that creators first step when learning that Youtube is not going to do anything about the violation, is to manually file it themselves, and honestly they should state that Youtube at that point is intentionally allowing it which would perhaps pull Youtube into it as well

    just because YouTube decides that they aren't going to do anything, doesn't invalidate your claim to copyright. I'm surprised that the channel hasn't seeked legal action against anyone regarding it.

    My two cents on the matter is that it's likely the channel is worried that their videos aren't transformative enough fair use wise and that they themselves may get into legal troubles if they attempted to. A lot of commentary artists stay borderline on fair-use and not fair use, however if this was not the case, they have a pretty decent chance of winning that suit.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Oh, if you follow the channel, it's CLEAR someone, probably just the one person, has a clear vendetta against Henry And Jeannie (MXRPlays). They used to know one person at youtube. So when they'd get their channel strike, they'd email him, and he'd review what the strike was for.

    It was stuff like "Advocating child harm".

    The guy would look at the video in question, and see no evidence of that. No children in the video. No discussions of child harm. Any human without a grudge could see it was a false autobot ID. So he would remove the strike. Then the next day, the strike would be back. He'd email the guy, and the guy would look through the logs, and find it was done by a human working for youtube. He'd remove the strike again, but he'd tell them "I can't remove it again. If he puts the strike back, it goes above me. Then the strike would be put back.....and it would have to be waited out. The strike stays on your account I think they said 30 days. And if you get 3 strikes at the same time, the channel gets suspended.

    So they wouldn't upload any more videos, and then 3 days later they'd get another strike on a video that was 4 years old. Clearly not a bot, since bots generally don't seek out old content with no activity.

    And the same situation would ensue. They hung on, and kept doing this cat and mouse game for 8 years. Until the guy they knew at youtube left the company. And then they had no one to delete strikes. Any calls to anyone at youtube were ignored. And the channel wasn't even suspended, it was terminated.

    And when this other guy is reuploading their old stuff on his own personal channel, youtube says they have no way to DMCA it because the original source file, the proof that he has to say it's his content, was deleted. Because his channel was terminated.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What type of reaction content? If it wasn't using the minimum amount of copyrighted material needed to comment or being transformative, and was distributing the majority of a work, then at any point a DMCA will nuke em. Google might not think it's worth the risk hosting that reaction content forever.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Basically they go on reddit, and will browse subs like "instant regret" or "maybe maybe maybe" or "yes yes no". Basically just subs where people post videos of themselves, doing whatever. Essentially it's just Americas Funniest Home Videos, but with their commentary using reddit as the source of the videos.

    So, I'm not sure anything is actually "copyrighted".

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I doubt that would be the reason for their ban. If it is a creative work then in some countries it's automatically copyrighted, but it's not like most would go out of their way to stop it (unlike with like people reacting to other YouTube videos, films, anime, etc).

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    LOL. You clearly have never heard of G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome). You get on YouTube to learn how to play guitar and next thing you know you've bought three guitars, a closet full of pedals, amps, amp modelers, etc., and you still don't know how to play.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That does not benefit specifically Alphabet though...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I guess I was thinking of how to videos like how to fix a part on your car. But yeah I can see how how to videos like that still being an opportunity for Google to make money.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Too hard to manipulate the algorithm with ai spam, disguised ads and propaganda if users can see all the videos at the top of their recommended feed have 20 views.

    You must only view what the Corporation approves.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    To hope you find new content. YouTube had been putting random low watch count videos in my feed. I never click on them because of their low view count. The thumbsnails make them look like they're high quality videos. Without the view count I have no idea if they have 1,000 views or millions. They're hoping I will click on them, subscribe, and spend more time in the app.

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