HubertManne comments on "Weak men create hard times"

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I never said boomers had everything handed to them. In a nutshell I said times were overall easier and have been getting worse since.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (13 children)

Times were not overall easier for everyone under segregation. You're just looking at history through a white lens.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

no but segregation now is worse. do you think it ended and do you think its better with more pollution because your going to be surprised how segregation works?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

Yes, many forms of racist oppression have either stayed the same or gotten worse, particularly the prison industrial complex and with police killings just replacing lynchings.

But are you telling me that Black boomers had it easy under segregation and Jim Crow?

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Jim crow. The last of them were overturned in 65. They started in the millenia before. Thats actualy a good example of how things where improving in general for them compared to the generations after.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (9 children)

You realize that also means they got to suffer until those improvements happened? And then, of course, ending Jim Crow didn't really fix everything. For Black boomers things got a little better for a while and then got worse again.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

so it would be better to suffer and not to improve. As bad as jim crow was getting out of it was a good thing and going back to it is not a good thing.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (7 children)

Zero clue how you got this from my comment??? Ending Jim Crow was good, but claiming that Black boomers had it easy is fucked.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

they did not have it easy they just lived in a better time when things were getting better. Right now we are coasting on things from that period and before and much has been reveresed.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

If you live during a time when things get better that, by definition, means you also lived during a time when things used to be worse.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

exactly and that is the point is things used to be better. again the change was in the 80's but they really did not degrade enough as started being felt more in the new millenium.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

Incarceration rates started skyrocketing in the 70s and only got worse from there. Did you forget about the war on drugs and who the primary victims were?

The meme is that boomers had it easy. Black boomers objectively didn't. Black people have never had it easy in this country.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

war on drugs. that is one of the eighties backsteps. doubling down on the bs. Where do you get the easy. its a question of relative direction and quality of the times. if you say never then you are saying whats happeing now a days is just fine. its all the same. again its driection. the voting rights act was from 1965 but the 2013ish gutting of it is showing up now in many of those states that were limited by it and they are now making last minute laws right before elections to curtail peoples right to vote. its not a good situation. its going backwards.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

It started in 1971 under Nixon. The guy who said "You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*gger, n*gger, n*gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*gger, n*gger.”

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 2 points 2 years ago

You are correct. It felt like nixon did not have the support in congress and the public such that he was sorta forced to do some things including conservation and he was sorta a one termer so his damage was a bit mitigated but it was really the start given we only had one of carter. The deregulation and tax decreases under reagan really got things going. It funny as im not sure before nixon but its the start of republican presidents not really winning elections free and clear. nixon (watergate), ford (in due to nixon), reagan (iran/contra), bush sr (coattails of reagan), bush jr (hanging chads florida supreme court decision), trump (voter suppression, gerrymandering, froeign interferance, at this point its everything and anything to get those technical electoral college wins)

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