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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The logical conclusion for all the problems you've listed is: build better public transport infrastructure. All those are arguments against car culture, not for it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, we sway toward cars way too much, and the US is even worse in that regard. My points were just that

  • being dismissive about people's concerns won't win us any favors, and
  • cars cannot yet be displaced entirely, so making them greener is always a benefit

We can have multiple solutions working in parallel to address these issues. In fact, that's the only way we'll see any result, since the problematic systems weren't built one by one either. And we also need to be on the lookout for people pitting us against each other: it's one of the oil lobby's favorite pastimes to push people toward solutions with less and less real-world viability in a reasonable term, and convince them that the actually short-term viable solutions are dangerous because they only half solve the problem and society is going to get stuck with the half-solution.

We need better public transport, and we need electric cars, and we need both yesterday. You can be against car culture while accepting that car culture won't disappear overnight so having it fuck up the earth less over its remaining lifetime would still be a benefit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We can have multiple solutions working in parallel to address these issues.

Exactly, that's the whole point I'm making. Just because cars can't be displaced entirely doesn't mean they can't be displaced where possible. And it's possible in many more situations than current car culture would lead you to believe.