▲ 1231 ▼ Trans men enter Miss Italy contest to protest anti-trans ‘women from birth’ rule (sh.itjust.works) submitted 3 years ago by Wats0ns@sh.itjust.works to c/maliciouscompliance@lemmy.world 376 comments fedilink hide all child comments More details: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/26/miss-italy-trans-men-trans-women-ban/
[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -13 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (5 children) Friend, I'm going to try to be gentle, and honest, and I hope you will listen with an open heart and mind. I came out to myself, and my wife and kids about a week ago. I was born with the mind, the spirit, the personally, the essence, whatever, of a woman 37 years ago. I have been living as a man, conforming to society's rules for 37 years. It took me four days, two hours at a time, to feel 40% of the way you do, just by waking up. Note: I don't know what gender you are. I don't actually give a flying fuck. The point is, if you want to go sit in a sauna with your peers, you can. I can't. All the normal experiences you had, weather you was born as a girl, and was annoyed that your mom made you sit still so she could fix your hair, or as a boy playing catch with your dad or working on the family car, you got that. You got to go to prom wearing what you want. Hell, you can go take a shit at the mall without people giving you dirty looks. I can't. Trans people don't want to insert themselves anywhere. Society wants to exclude them from everywhere. It may seem pointless that it's just some beauty pageant, but imagine you have this beautiful car you built, by hand. You even had to so much custom shaping and fabrication, but goddamn is she pretty. Let's take her to a car show, shall we? Wait... You can't show off the car you've literally spent years on? After all this time, after you spent all this money, all this time, hiding away. You are scared. This isn't a mass manufactured car, what if you get made fun of? It's fine, it still has the shape of a car, and it's so pretty, and you are so proud! What.. it isn't allowed? It is a gorgeous car though.. They say it isn't actually a car, just a bunch of shit someone slapped together. You can't just take a Ford, strip it down to it's frame, rebuild it peice by peice, and still call it a car. You cheated, and it's wrong. Hell, for good measure, they tell you you can't even register to drive it. It now sits in your garage. Collecting dust. If you don't understand my allegory, you are you, the car is your true sense of self, your "transgenderism" if you must call it that, the car show was gonna be the pageant but I spaced out and it became representative of society as a whole for a minute.... You are absolutely right that we want to be accepted. You're accepted. Why can't I be like you? Why do I have to be scared my step brother is going to beat the shit out of me just because I have to take a piss? You can go to the store and just... Grab a gallon of milk without having to worry about some bigot stalking you and hurting you just because you wore yoga pants because you think you have a nice ass. I'm nervous to step into my own backyard to have a cigarette without an entire man-costume on. You can literally put on whatever the hell you want, step outside, and and shout at the top of your lungs "I'm here!" And nobody will bat an eye. If I put on whatever I wanted, stepped outside, and met you for the first time, pleasant as can be, your preconceived notions would be that I'm some weird bundle-of-sticks-word that need to go inside and has no place in society. TL;DR: Trans people are people too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] SamHandwich@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago Since that lima bean didn't want to read what you wrote, I just wanna say I really appreciate it and you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] charolastra@programming.dev -4 points 3 years ago I'd say you've diluted this otherwise poignant allegory with a tablespoon or so of word soup. permalink fedilink source parent [+] useragent13@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago Holy shit touch grass permalink fedilink source parent [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -14 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, I'll make it simple since your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired: your bias is keeping you from allowing people to be themselves. The fact you don't see a problem with an entire subsect of people being excluded from an event shows that you are a disgusting person that shouldn't be allowed in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Yet you feel the need to tell them how they should act? If they wish to participate, it's their right to attempt to join. I just think it's wonderful that the pagents clear policy of hate is backfiring so publicly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago You certainly seem to care, sparky. permalink fedilink source parent [+] charolastra@programming.dev -16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, word salad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, a kindergarten reading level? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charolastra@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago What is this, your only comeback? permalink fedilink source parent [–] clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Is that it that “activists want to insert themselves and their cause into every possible area of society“ or is it maybe that trans people are actual living breathing humans who are a part of every possible area of society, and they have the right to exist and live their lives in peace, same as you? The only people in the story that are “forcing” anyone are the bigots who are actively attempting to ban trans people from competing, but they’re doing it poorly. Not surprising, since most bigots lack critical thinking skills. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It'd help if you weren't spewing bigoted nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not hard to understand that you're a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago (5 children) Friend, I'm going to try to be gentle, and honest, and I hope you will listen with an open heart and mind. I came out to myself, and my wife and kids about a week ago. I was born with the mind, the spirit, the personally, the essence, whatever, of a woman 37 years ago. I have been living as a man, conforming to society's rules for 37 years. It took me four days, two hours at a time, to feel 40% of the way you do, just by waking up. Note: I don't know what gender you are. I don't actually give a flying fuck. The point is, if you want to go sit in a sauna with your peers, you can. I can't. All the normal experiences you had, weather you was born as a girl, and was annoyed that your mom made you sit still so she could fix your hair, or as a boy playing catch with your dad or working on the family car, you got that. You got to go to prom wearing what you want. Hell, you can go take a shit at the mall without people giving you dirty looks. I can't. Trans people don't want to insert themselves anywhere. Society wants to exclude them from everywhere. It may seem pointless that it's just some beauty pageant, but imagine you have this beautiful car you built, by hand. You even had to so much custom shaping and fabrication, but goddamn is she pretty. Let's take her to a car show, shall we? Wait... You can't show off the car you've literally spent years on? After all this time, after you spent all this money, all this time, hiding away. You are scared. This isn't a mass manufactured car, what if you get made fun of? It's fine, it still has the shape of a car, and it's so pretty, and you are so proud! What.. it isn't allowed? It is a gorgeous car though.. They say it isn't actually a car, just a bunch of shit someone slapped together. You can't just take a Ford, strip it down to it's frame, rebuild it peice by peice, and still call it a car. You cheated, and it's wrong. Hell, for good measure, they tell you you can't even register to drive it. It now sits in your garage. Collecting dust. If you don't understand my allegory, you are you, the car is your true sense of self, your "transgenderism" if you must call it that, the car show was gonna be the pageant but I spaced out and it became representative of society as a whole for a minute.... You are absolutely right that we want to be accepted. You're accepted. Why can't I be like you? Why do I have to be scared my step brother is going to beat the shit out of me just because I have to take a piss? You can go to the store and just... Grab a gallon of milk without having to worry about some bigot stalking you and hurting you just because you wore yoga pants because you think you have a nice ass. I'm nervous to step into my own backyard to have a cigarette without an entire man-costume on. You can literally put on whatever the hell you want, step outside, and and shout at the top of your lungs "I'm here!" And nobody will bat an eye. If I put on whatever I wanted, stepped outside, and met you for the first time, pleasant as can be, your preconceived notions would be that I'm some weird bundle-of-sticks-word that need to go inside and has no place in society. TL;DR: Trans people are people too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] SamHandwich@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago Since that lima bean didn't want to read what you wrote, I just wanna say I really appreciate it and you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] charolastra@programming.dev -4 points 3 years ago I'd say you've diluted this otherwise poignant allegory with a tablespoon or so of word soup. permalink fedilink source parent [+] useragent13@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago Holy shit touch grass permalink fedilink source parent [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -14 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, I'll make it simple since your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired: your bias is keeping you from allowing people to be themselves. The fact you don't see a problem with an entire subsect of people being excluded from an event shows that you are a disgusting person that shouldn't be allowed in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Yet you feel the need to tell them how they should act? If they wish to participate, it's their right to attempt to join. I just think it's wonderful that the pagents clear policy of hate is backfiring so publicly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago You certainly seem to care, sparky. permalink fedilink source parent [+] charolastra@programming.dev -16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, word salad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, a kindergarten reading level? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charolastra@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago What is this, your only comeback? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SamHandwich@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago Since that lima bean didn't want to read what you wrote, I just wanna say I really appreciate it and you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] charolastra@programming.dev -4 points 3 years ago I'd say you've diluted this otherwise poignant allegory with a tablespoon or so of word soup. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] useragent13@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago Holy shit touch grass permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -14 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, I'll make it simple since your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired: your bias is keeping you from allowing people to be themselves. The fact you don't see a problem with an entire subsect of people being excluded from an event shows that you are a disgusting person that shouldn't be allowed in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Yet you feel the need to tell them how they should act? If they wish to participate, it's their right to attempt to join. I just think it's wonderful that the pagents clear policy of hate is backfiring so publicly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago You certainly seem to care, sparky. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, I'll make it simple since your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired: your bias is keeping you from allowing people to be themselves. The fact you don't see a problem with an entire subsect of people being excluded from an event shows that you are a disgusting person that shouldn't be allowed in public. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -8 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UFO64@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago No, what they have is the ability to do so, as expressed by your replies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UFO64@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago Yet you feel the need to tell them how they should act? If they wish to participate, it's their right to attempt to join. I just think it's wonderful that the pagents clear policy of hate is backfiring so publicly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago You certainly seem to care, sparky. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] charolastra@programming.dev -16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, word salad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, a kindergarten reading level? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charolastra@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago What is this, your only comeback? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VirulentAura@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) What is this, a kindergarten reading level? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] charolastra@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago What is this, your only comeback? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] charolastra@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago What is this, your only comeback? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] clockwork_octopus@lemmy.world 12 points 3 years ago Is that it that “activists want to insert themselves and their cause into every possible area of society“ or is it maybe that trans people are actual living breathing humans who are a part of every possible area of society, and they have the right to exist and live their lives in peace, same as you? The only people in the story that are “forcing” anyone are the bigots who are actively attempting to ban trans people from competing, but they’re doing it poorly. Not surprising, since most bigots lack critical thinking skills. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It'd help if you weren't spewing bigoted nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not hard to understand that you're a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -7 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not hard to understand that you're a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Exatron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's not hard to understand that you're a bigot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LegionEris@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago You have a lot of learning to do about enlightenment. Gutei cut off a motherfucker's finger to get him a little closer to enlightenment. Violence is inherent to true enlightenment. When the enlightened meet the buddha, they will kill the buddha. permalink fedilink source parent