▲ 2144 ▼ Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible (stackdiary.com) submitted 3 years ago by seasonone@opidea.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world 692 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] kadu@lemmy.world 155 points 3 years ago (13 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] thekerker@kbin.social 55 points 3 years ago I wholeheartedly agree. I'm a technical person, I run Linux as my primary OS and use FOSS software. But I also have a full time job and 2 small kids, and frankly I just don't have the time or patience to be a full time sysadmin. Proton has come a long way in providing alternatives to Gmail, GCalendar, GDrive, etc., but like you said if you want to replace ALL of Google you practically have to self host a gazillion Nextcloud instances or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 38 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There isn't. Closest there is is NextCloud, but you need to self host it, since it isn't E2EE so using a provider would just put you back in square one. Proton is a close second but its still miles away, they have a lot of products but their devs seem to be spread thin between then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent [–] seasonone@opidea.xyz [S] 17 points 3 years ago (4 children) I kinda agree with you. Before my exams I had lot of time. I used to self host nextcloud, email and invidious etc. But during exam had no time to manage instances or update my packages, one after than another they kept showing error and they went offline. I stopped my VPS and started using Google Drive(it was already available on my android) to share my notes temporarily with friends, soon I kept using it. I hope protonmail becomes better so I can start using them instead of other products permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zatanas@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago This is how they do it. They wedge themselves in via convenience with the hopes that we'll stay on their ecosystem eventually. I hope you'll soon find the time to regain your independence from them. Best of luck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) What I don't like about Proton is that I can't combine Mail Plus and Pass Plus. I don't need a 500 GB Proton Drive or Proton VPN, but I like their Mail and Password Manager. Now I use Mail for free and Password Manager for €12/year. I would like to pay €3.99/month for the Mail offer, but for that I would have to upgrade to the much more extensive Proton Unlimited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ZeroHora@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I would pay 7.99 for Proton Unlimited. But I can't pay alnost 200 Euros for it all at once. I'm not a big fan of the huge cost difference between monthly, 12m and 24m subscriptions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] saltdream@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago It’s a hard fight between all the time maintaining your own stuff takes and the utter resistance by other users who just won’t learn anything new or use any real security. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TWeaK@lemm.ee -2 points 3 years ago Microsoft is arguably worse than Google. They make you pay for the software they use to harvest your data for free. These businesses should be paying for the data, the raw materials, they collect and use to build their products. You can't assemble a car without paying for the nuts and bolts, but that's what they do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thekerker@kbin.social 55 points 3 years ago I wholeheartedly agree. I'm a technical person, I run Linux as my primary OS and use FOSS software. But I also have a full time job and 2 small kids, and frankly I just don't have the time or patience to be a full time sysadmin. Proton has come a long way in providing alternatives to Gmail, GCalendar, GDrive, etc., but like you said if you want to replace ALL of Google you practically have to self host a gazillion Nextcloud instances or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 38 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There isn't. Closest there is is NextCloud, but you need to self host it, since it isn't E2EE so using a provider would just put you back in square one. Proton is a close second but its still miles away, they have a lot of products but their devs seem to be spread thin between then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There isn't. Closest there is is NextCloud, but you need to self host it, since it isn't E2EE so using a provider would just put you back in square one. Proton is a close second but its still miles away, they have a lot of products but their devs seem to be spread thin between then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There isn't. Closest there is is NextCloud, but you need to self host it, since it isn't E2EE so using a provider would just put you back in square one. Proton is a close second but its still miles away, they have a lot of products but their devs seem to be spread thin between then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InfiniWheel@lemmy.one 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There isn't. Closest there is is NextCloud, but you need to self host it, since it isn't E2EE so using a provider would just put you back in square one. Proton is a close second but its still miles away, they have a lot of products but their devs seem to be spread thin between then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeternum@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago there are hosted nextcloud servers available. the nextcloud website has some listed on their website. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz [S] 17 points 3 years ago (4 children) I kinda agree with you. Before my exams I had lot of time. I used to self host nextcloud, email and invidious etc. But during exam had no time to manage instances or update my packages, one after than another they kept showing error and they went offline. I stopped my VPS and started using Google Drive(it was already available on my android) to share my notes temporarily with friends, soon I kept using it. I hope protonmail becomes better so I can start using them instead of other products permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zatanas@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago This is how they do it. They wedge themselves in via convenience with the hopes that we'll stay on their ecosystem eventually. I hope you'll soon find the time to regain your independence from them. Best of luck. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) What I don't like about Proton is that I can't combine Mail Plus and Pass Plus. I don't need a 500 GB Proton Drive or Proton VPN, but I like their Mail and Password Manager. Now I use Mail for free and Password Manager for €12/year. I would like to pay €3.99/month for the Mail offer, but for that I would have to upgrade to the much more extensive Proton Unlimited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ZeroHora@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I would pay 7.99 for Proton Unlimited. But I can't pay alnost 200 Euros for it all at once. I'm not a big fan of the huge cost difference between monthly, 12m and 24m subscriptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zatanas@lemm.ee 14 points 3 years ago This is how they do it. They wedge themselves in via convenience with the hopes that we'll stay on their ecosystem eventually. I hope you'll soon find the time to regain your independence from them. Best of luck. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago (2 children) What I don't like about Proton is that I can't combine Mail Plus and Pass Plus. I don't need a 500 GB Proton Drive or Proton VPN, but I like their Mail and Password Manager. Now I use Mail for free and Password Manager for €12/year. I would like to pay €3.99/month for the Mail offer, but for that I would have to upgrade to the much more extensive Proton Unlimited. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ZeroHora@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I would pay 7.99 for Proton Unlimited. But I can't pay alnost 200 Euros for it all at once. I'm not a big fan of the huge cost difference between monthly, 12m and 24m subscriptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ZeroHora@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I would pay 7.99 for Proton Unlimited. But I can't pay alnost 200 Euros for it all at once. I'm not a big fan of the huge cost difference between monthly, 12m and 24m subscriptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Noxvento@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I would pay 7.99 for Proton Unlimited. But I can't pay alnost 200 Euros for it all at once. I'm not a big fan of the huge cost difference between monthly, 12m and 24m subscriptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saltdream@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago It’s a hard fight between all the time maintaining your own stuff takes and the utter resistance by other users who just won’t learn anything new or use any real security. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee -2 points 3 years ago Microsoft is arguably worse than Google. They make you pay for the software they use to harvest your data for free. These businesses should be paying for the data, the raw materials, they collect and use to build their products. You can't assemble a car without paying for the nuts and bolts, but that's what they do. permalink fedilink source parent