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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 81 points 2 years ago (56 children) It's the one with a dev that thinks that replacing "he" by "they" is political propaganda? Yeah, no thanks. permalink fedilink source hideshow 59 child comments replies: [–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Can you provide some context? Edit: I found the context. Here and here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) maybe I'm not seeing where the smoking gun is, here. I see a guy saying something akin to "can we not do this here in the github please" and then I see a bunch of people blowing up and yelling about "dehumanization" over it. ...why is this such a huge deal exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (9 children) Absolutely nothing. The fact that they had to bring up a totally irrelevant 3 year old issue during an event that is supposed to be celebrated tells you a lot. They have been blatantly brigading various communities just for attention, and probably to get the dev cancelled or something. Even this post, the privacy community does not need this whole chain of replies. And yet, they overshadow every legit discussion with this bullshit unprompted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"? I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser. this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake. Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] jack@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Open mindedness is a key factor for success (especially in open source). Inclusivity demonstrates open mindedness. The fact that the lead dev goes out of his way to prevent such a minor change (it's not even like people demanded a strict CoC or something) is a bad signal permalink fedilink source parent [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Changing "he" to "they" isn't a political change, or shouldn't be if you're not a fucking shithead permalink fedilink source parent [–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Can you provide some context? This Mastodon post discusses it and has links to the PRs: https://ruby.social/@denis/112718132053579597 This one for SerenityOS shows Kling's response to a very minor and neutral change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M500@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m dumb, but I completely do not understand what the dev did to upset people. I read the thread and I’m confused about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Thanks for the heads up. Not worth the time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) for someone who can speak a language that lacks gendered pronouns, this "hysteria" over he/she/they is ridiculous! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] exu@feditown.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone who speaks a language with gendered pronouns but no neutral option, this is very awkward to deal with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago yes, it's awkward for the "individual" who is longing for reliable expression it also seems to be awkward for people who can't figure out the changes in the language they think as their own. They are irritated by their "disfigured" reflection it's awkward for officials who need to make decisions (positive or negative) about the use of "inclusive" language we give shape to languages and languages shape us English could initially have neutral pronouns and people would be obliged to find other reasons to hate each other 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well on the contrary you should understand it more. A gendered pronoun carries an idea of gender, and having a genderless pronoun frees the sentence of this gender assumption. Nothing very hard to understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago that's what i thought i meant but thanks for the lesson I've never needed even your comment is, for me, coming from that ridiculous tension permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (53 replies)
[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Can you provide some context? Edit: I found the context. Here and here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) maybe I'm not seeing where the smoking gun is, here. I see a guy saying something akin to "can we not do this here in the github please" and then I see a bunch of people blowing up and yelling about "dehumanization" over it. ...why is this such a huge deal exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (9 children) Absolutely nothing. The fact that they had to bring up a totally irrelevant 3 year old issue during an event that is supposed to be celebrated tells you a lot. They have been blatantly brigading various communities just for attention, and probably to get the dev cancelled or something. Even this post, the privacy community does not need this whole chain of replies. And yet, they overshadow every legit discussion with this bullshit unprompted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"? I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser. this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake. Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] jack@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Open mindedness is a key factor for success (especially in open source). Inclusivity demonstrates open mindedness. The fact that the lead dev goes out of his way to prevent such a minor change (it's not even like people demanded a strict CoC or something) is a bad signal permalink fedilink source parent [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Changing "he" to "they" isn't a political change, or shouldn't be if you're not a fucking shithead permalink fedilink source parent [–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Can you provide some context? This Mastodon post discusses it and has links to the PRs: https://ruby.social/@denis/112718132053579597 This one for SerenityOS shows Kling's response to a very minor and neutral change. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M500@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m dumb, but I completely do not understand what the dev did to upset people. I read the thread and I’m confused about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Nima@leminal.space 20 points 2 years ago (3 children) maybe I'm not seeing where the smoking gun is, here. I see a guy saying something akin to "can we not do this here in the github please" and then I see a bunch of people blowing up and yelling about "dehumanization" over it. ...why is this such a huge deal exactly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (9 children) Absolutely nothing. The fact that they had to bring up a totally irrelevant 3 year old issue during an event that is supposed to be celebrated tells you a lot. They have been blatantly brigading various communities just for attention, and probably to get the dev cancelled or something. Even this post, the privacy community does not need this whole chain of replies. And yet, they overshadow every legit discussion with this bullshit unprompted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"? I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser. this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake. Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] jack@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Open mindedness is a key factor for success (especially in open source). Inclusivity demonstrates open mindedness. The fact that the lead dev goes out of his way to prevent such a minor change (it's not even like people demanded a strict CoC or something) is a bad signal permalink fedilink source parent [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Changing "he" to "they" isn't a political change, or shouldn't be if you're not a fucking shithead permalink fedilink source parent
[–] InstallGentoo@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (9 children) Absolutely nothing. The fact that they had to bring up a totally irrelevant 3 year old issue during an event that is supposed to be celebrated tells you a lot. They have been blatantly brigading various communities just for attention, and probably to get the dev cancelled or something. Even this post, the privacy community does not need this whole chain of replies. And yet, they overshadow every legit discussion with this bullshit unprompted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"? I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser. this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake. Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies)
[–] Nima@leminal.space 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) so I don't understand. why are all these comments yelling the same stuff? did they just decide to harass this one guy for saying "take it somewhere else, please"? I'm trying to find anything malicious in anything he's said. I'm finding nothing but a dude working on a browser. this kind of behavior scares me greatly. I know individuals who have been victims of real transphobia. this seems to be a simple language difference. and I think targeting this guy is a mistake. Flooding and being loud doesn't make them right. it just means they're loud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] refalo@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I’m trying to find anything malicious in anything he’s said They use the "silence is violence" trope to harass and terrorize projects, hiding behind their "protected status" as a transgender. Whenever someone rejects anything that calls for "greater inclusion", they go nuclear and tell all their friends to do the same. The bullied becomes the bully. It's very childish. It's always people that never contribute any meaningful code as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nima@leminal.space 1 point 2 years ago* edit omg I'm sorry I was replying to the wrong comment. they got me fucked up. lol I'm with you. i see this a lot in the lgbt community and nobody calls them out on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jack@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Open mindedness is a key factor for success (especially in open source). Inclusivity demonstrates open mindedness. The fact that the lead dev goes out of his way to prevent such a minor change (it's not even like people demanded a strict CoC or something) is a bad signal permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Changing "he" to "they" isn't a political change, or shouldn't be if you're not a fucking shithead permalink fedilink source parent
[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Can you provide some context? This Mastodon post discusses it and has links to the PRs: https://ruby.social/@denis/112718132053579597 This one for SerenityOS shows Kling's response to a very minor and neutral change. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M500@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I’m dumb, but I completely do not understand what the dev did to upset people. I read the thread and I’m confused about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] billgamesh@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) Thanks for the heads up. Not worth the time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) for someone who can speak a language that lacks gendered pronouns, this "hysteria" over he/she/they is ridiculous! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] exu@feditown.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone who speaks a language with gendered pronouns but no neutral option, this is very awkward to deal with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago yes, it's awkward for the "individual" who is longing for reliable expression it also seems to be awkward for people who can't figure out the changes in the language they think as their own. They are irritated by their "disfigured" reflection it's awkward for officials who need to make decisions (positive or negative) about the use of "inclusive" language we give shape to languages and languages shape us English could initially have neutral pronouns and people would be obliged to find other reasons to hate each other 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well on the contrary you should understand it more. A gendered pronoun carries an idea of gender, and having a genderless pronoun frees the sentence of this gender assumption. Nothing very hard to understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago that's what i thought i meant but thanks for the lesson I've never needed even your comment is, for me, coming from that ridiculous tension permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exu@feditown.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) As someone who speaks a language with gendered pronouns but no neutral option, this is very awkward to deal with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago yes, it's awkward for the "individual" who is longing for reliable expression it also seems to be awkward for people who can't figure out the changes in the language they think as their own. They are irritated by their "disfigured" reflection it's awkward for officials who need to make decisions (positive or negative) about the use of "inclusive" language we give shape to languages and languages shape us English could initially have neutral pronouns and people would be obliged to find other reasons to hate each other 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago yes, it's awkward for the "individual" who is longing for reliable expression it also seems to be awkward for people who can't figure out the changes in the language they think as their own. They are irritated by their "disfigured" reflection it's awkward for officials who need to make decisions (positive or negative) about the use of "inclusive" language we give shape to languages and languages shape us English could initially have neutral pronouns and people would be obliged to find other reasons to hate each other 🤷 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well on the contrary you should understand it more. A gendered pronoun carries an idea of gender, and having a genderless pronoun frees the sentence of this gender assumption. Nothing very hard to understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] merde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago that's what i thought i meant but thanks for the lesson I've never needed even your comment is, for me, coming from that ridiculous tension permalink fedilink source parent
[–] merde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago that's what i thought i meant but thanks for the lesson I've never needed even your comment is, for me, coming from that ridiculous tension permalink fedilink source parent