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Mastodon thinks Lemmy’s privacy stinks. What say you? (raddle.me)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/technology@beehaw.org
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Federated services have always had privacy issues but I expected Lemmy would have the fewest, but it's visibly worse for privacy than even Reddit.

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[–] 6 points 3 years ago (5 children)

it's an interesting idea, but it doesn't vibe with the reality of the laws in the EU which has "right to be forgotten" rules

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    The "right to be forgotten" rules are, with all due respect to the EU regulators, pretty shortsighted.

    I think the initial "right to be forgotten" lawsuit that Google faced from that Spanish guy-- where he claimed bankruptcy years prior. People( potential lenders?) kept finding that information online through google searches. He sued to have Google remove those sites from the index. He won and the Spanish Judge told Google they had to remove those results from searches.

    But it didn't change that the information was still on each site. Those sites, the ones that actually held the information didn't get sued, just Google.

    It also opened the door for oppressive governments covering up human rights abuses or hide other information they dont want widely available.

    Google appealed and won: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49808208

    I also want to point out that this Spanish guy's situation is very different from "posting publicly on social media". He was getting written about by others and the courts eventually said "no, this can stand. This information should remain available". So I imagine, public statements made by an individual certainly wouldn't qualify to be forgotten.

    At the end of the day, to me, this is a technical decision not a privacy one.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    GDPR applies to companies operating in the EU, not every single entity on the internet. Posts on random forums are not subject to these laws, so I don't think Lemmy would count.

    Now if a Lemmy operator began using user personal data for profit, then GDPR would apply. At the moment, I don't think that's happening anywhere in the fediverse.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    GDPR applies to companies operating in the EU, not every single entity on the internet

    It applies to every single public entity on the internet that holds data of EU citizens. No matter which country they're located in.
    AFAIK, this world-wide nature of the GDPR is pretty unique and quite contentious.

    The GDPR includes exceptions for private purposes but hosting a lemmy instance with public signups is most certainly not intended to be of private nature, so the GDPR does apply.

    I can't comment on whether that means the right to be forgotten needs to be exercised by federated instances, I just want to set the record straight here.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The EU may claim GDPR applies to all data of EU citizens no matter where in the world it is stored, but if the entity storing that data does zero business in the EU, there isn't much that can be done to enforce that law. Its the same as US law firms thinking their DMCA claims apply in other countries, etc.

    Federated Lemmy instances operating in non-EU nations with no business/holdings/etc in the EU, are under zero obligation to recognise GDPR requirements unless otherwise required somehow to do so by their own national law (say a treaty agreement or the like).

    The EU can no more demand or enforce global adherence to their data laws than the US can.

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