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[–] 20 points 2 years ago (9 children)

"The OS" doesn't exist. The operating systems you're talking about are called Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, RHEL, etc etc. The main work of making an actually usable OS from the various free software components others have written has always been done by the teams responsible for these products.

But we still need a way to refer to them collectively, and it used to make sense to call them "Linux" because they were pretty much the only operating systems that used the Linux kernel, but now that Android is the most widely used OS on the planet, it doesn't anymore, and this alone is a reason to say GNU/Linux unless you want to include Android.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Systemd/GNU/Linux/GTK or Systemd/GNU/Linux/QT, really…

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    GTK being a part of GNU (at least originally)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Sure, I should have gone further.

    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/GNU BASH/Linux/X11//GTK/GNOME
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/GNU BASH/Linux/X11/GTK/LXDE
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/X11/GTK/GNOME
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/X11/GTK/LXDE
    SysVInit/musl/Busybox/tcsh/Linux/csh
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/Wayland/QT/KDE Plasma
    Systemd/GNU libc/GNU Coreutils/Zsh/Linux/Wayland/QT/LXQT

    etc, etc.

    There are thousands of combinations of the possible layers needed to make an OS.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    the thing is that not all of them use systemd or bash or zsh or even X11 (servers don't usually have X11 installed)

    All of them use a Linux kernel and many components that were originally developed for GNU, especially the C library.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I understand distributions (Debian, Arch, etc.) are what users will use. But those distributions have a foundation to build off of (that's what I'm referring to when I say OS), and that foundation most distributions use is GNU and Linux.

    GNU came first, and the final piece of the missing puzzle was Linux. Adding in Linux shouldn't overshadow all the incredible work the GNU project took over 7 years to create.

    Android is a different issue, although it certainly puts a hole in the logic of calling the desktop OS Linux. "[Android] contains Linux, but it isn't Linux."

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    This is a rabbit hole. Most software packages out there use hundreds of modules with other names. Heck, I bet the client you are using would require 27 different slashes for this to make sense.

    Sometimes you put a lot of work into a foundation. Sometimes you use a foundation. Pride in one's work does not always require recognition.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    I don't use those, I select my own components using SystemD OS.

    Like my configuration actually has to specify whether I'm using gnome or KDE, nothing is "by default" in my distro except for SystemD

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