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EU attempt to sneak through new encryption-eroding law slammed by Signal, politicians (www.theregister.com)
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[–] 73 points 2 years ago (24 children)

If it's client side then pedos will just strip it out and keep on going. It's a giant waste of time.

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  • [–] 96 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    It's nothing to do with stopping pedos. The people pushing this year-in and year-out don't care THAT much about pedos. It's not a cause that's motivating enough for them to be putting in so much effort, trying to sneak in legislation after being repeatedly rebuffed.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The real people pushing this are lobbyists working for the companies that sell the monitoring software.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    And for anyone wondering btw, this is actually a proven fact and not just a guess.

    This article in german talks about the connections that the people pushing this have to the relevant tech industry companies.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    It's rather "tell me who's your friend and I'll tell you who you are", most of specific people involved in pushing this have a history with authoritarian regimes, some genocidal.

    Many things may change overnight.

    It’s not a cause that’s motivating enough for them to be putting in so much effort, trying to sneak in legislation after being repeatedly rebuffed.

    Until those trying are in jail explaining their motivations in detail, this won't stop.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's really all about having a way to get past encryption so they can spy on everyone indiscriminately. It's pushed that it's to save kids and unmask pedos, but the people in charge know the pedophiles are their rich donors.

    It's about controlling opposition and making sure the wealthy can stay on top. Imagine if no small business can hide their information from their competitors.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Or, you know, trivially circumvent it? Compress media, break up URLs? I don't understand how this could possibly be effective.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Any circumvention argument misses the point.

    90% of people won't. The remaining 10% will be flagged and can be scrutinized more manually (without any violence which will get into news). It's the way any surveillance works. Which is why non-backdoored e2e encryption for everyone in everything everywhere and death of centralized services are important to fight surveillance.

    It's like flowers covering body parts on photos, we kinda guess what's there. If the whole photo is covered with flowers, that's another story.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Wait till they make TOR illegal and force people to mask TOR traffic to look like HTTPS. Then produce a stream of rubbish alongside said HTTPS traffic so as to fool authorities. Lol at them thinking non-profit tech gurus are going to give them cake

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    You are answering a comment explaining why this is bullshit. "Gurus" are sufficiently rare to have other kinds of surveillance.

    For some reason in every bad event there are plenty of people thinking evil is stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    What I'm trying to say is said gurus will build something that the masses can use (to the extent of the masses that know what Threema and Briar are).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (8 children)

    My third sentence still applies. Do you realize that the situation presented is one with backdoors on every device and criminal responsibility for bypassing\removing those?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (7 children)

    Yes, and this will affect everyone. Which is why I'm hopeful that organisations like the EFF, the TOR browser's foundation, Graphene OS and the general Android community comes up with something that will prevent this. I hope this will push for greater efforts in obfuscation of traffic from TOR, I2P, Freenet, Wireguard and the like along with better education amongst the general population.

    You could call me naive though, I suppose. Perhaps I expect too much

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Police checks your phone and finds the banned piece of software.

    Or your ISP detects traffic from something which is not reported by the backdoor on your phone.

    There are so many ways.

    There is no technological solution to a power problem. Power solutions to power problems include riots, revolutions, assassinations ...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    Oh, so TOR, Graphene OS and Signal will be banned then? We're going towards a dystopia where the police control which apps you can and can't install?

    Yeah I see your point

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    We’re going towards a dystopia...?

    I mean...

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