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[+] -13 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

Israel is a criminal state that should be stopped. But we can do that, we should do that, without antisemitism.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Denying the Jews the right to self-determination that all other peoples have is antisemitic.

    Palestine doesn’t have that right right now, and that is because of Israel.

    How do you think that should be righted?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    The goal should be the two states solution. It won't be possible if there isn't a strong international pressure on Israel. Again, Israel is a criminal state and should be treated as such. So is Russia, and nobody publishes memes on how Russia has no right to exist.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    We have seen how well the two states solution worked in the last 50 years.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Nobody is suggesting that, people are arguing in favor of dismantling a fascist ethno-state.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    A single state solution over Palestine and former Israel, with equal citizenship.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Thus you're denying the right of self determination for the Jew people. QED.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    If the Jew people of Palestine want the independence, who are we to deny it? The only moral solution in this case is the two states solution.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Ethnostates are bad, and right now we have a fascist ethno state destroying people.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Israel is a lot of things, but not an ethnostate. Falashas and Sefardim aren't white, and they're recognized as citizens as much as Ashkenazim, at least legally (there is racism between Jews in Israel too, but it's the case everywhere).

    I don't understand why Israel is the only criminal State in the world that progressive people want totally destroyed. Russia, Iran, Syria, … are imperialist criminal states too, and progressive people “only” want their government changed. I want the fascist government of Israel overthrown, but I have no right to call for the destruction of the country itself. The only difference is Judaism.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Israel is an ethno-state centered around Jewish identity. That is the literal entire point.

    Israel is not the only fascist state that should he totally destroyed, of course others should be. The US is probably the biggest cause of conflict and exploitation worldwide.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think you could argue this before the passage of the Nation State Law of 2018. But now it's enshrined in law that the state exists to privilege Jews specifically and selectively. That's really putting it all in black and white.

    Also I get asked about why I didn't criticize China or Russia or Iran etc, and the reasons are simple:

    1. I do
    2. my tax dollars didn't support their misdeeds and
    3. I'm Jewish, so I have a huge investment in Israel's actions. They insist that I be judged by their actions, so now I have to get involved. Also, I actually like Israel. I'd like it to be a liberal, multi ethnic democracy and not just another Middle Eastern martial theocracy with a Jewish twist.
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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hold on a sec: self determination is always within the context of recognizing the right of self determination of other groups and the basic human rights of everyone involved.

    Also, Israel already has millions of Palestinian citizens. And all of these people deserve a say in what the resulting arrangement looks like.

    A two state solution is one possibility, but there is no strict requirement that it is the only or best way to serve the needs of those involved.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    A two state solution is one possibility, but there is no strict requirement that it is the only or best way to serve the needs of those involved.

    It's true. But it's not for us to decide.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    “Self determination” to oppress others lmao. Fascism is not self determination.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Israel is a country. Fascism is a type of government.

    You can want the end of the fascist government without wanting the end of the country.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 years ago

    Israel is a fascist settler colonial apartheid regime. Israel is an ethno religious state. Israel must be destroyed like yesterday! That land belong to the Palestinians! Free Palestine! Fuck Israel!

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