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Discussion about lemmy.ml admins abusing Fediverse moderation tools (with proof) (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/bestoflemmy@lemmy.world
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https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

Lemmy.ml, like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, has consistently been accused of improper Federation practices and many instances have decided to ban one or both of the latter by default, with many individual users having already gone further to block the former as well. However, many individual users on lemmy.ml seem unaware of the accusations of the practices of their admins, and some people go so far as to see lemmy.ml as a sort of default instance on the Fediverse.

This discussion promotes wider knowledge of the situation and what might be done about it in the future, in order to e.g. not turn away new potential Federation members (Fedizens?:-) that could otherwise associate what happens on that instance as something relating to the Fediverse as a whole.

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[–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So you painted all if lemmy.ml as a tankie fest and got banned. Just like I stated.

Be glad that it's not for criticizing israel like /news and /politics on .world does. And if you point it out on those instances your comment also gets removed and you get banned.

And as I said. You will have tankies with insane takes. Those usually come from Lemmygrad or Hexbear. .ml is mostly lefties and just a few tankies in the mix. But the people I see getting banned from .ml are not banned for content but the presentation of said content.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    So you painted all if lemmy.ml as a tankie fest and got banned. Just like I stated.

    I was literally followed around by a moderator of lemmy.ml who was screaming at me tankie shit. There's nothing nuanced there. I noticed you ignored the fact that the thread got locked and deleted though. Not sure how you can continue to defend it when shown that your own example is actually a counterexample.

    TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml Here's a moderator on lemmy.ml on a couple large communities. Scroll through and you'll find ACTUALLY xenophobic remarks. You'll find hate speech, you'll find ALL of it. But because it's pro-china, it's okay. When you endorse moderators like this on your instance, you're a tankie instance.

    Be glad that it’s not for criticizing israel like /news and /politics on .world does. And if you point it out on those instances your comment also gets removed and you get banned.

    I'll criticize Israel too if it's warranted in the conversation. I've yet to be banned from any other instance other than lemmy.ml

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago

    Lemmy.World sounds like another conversation worth having. Feel free to assemble your references and post that as well - probably somewhere other than Lemmy.World:-). I for one don't know enough about it.

    Also, the linked OP wasn't merely about sth along the lines of "Lemmy.ml being tankies" (anyone at all who is on the Fediverse is surely a tankie according to some, like conservatives on Truth Social:-P), it was rather more about abusive moderation practices. It sounds like you think you have a strong case to make against Lemmy.World similarly, but definitely find as solid proof as you can to prove it to others who will refuse to spend anywhere close to as much time on it as you have & will.

    Still further, the linked OP wasn't even just about abusive practices, but by ones that look deceptive, by virtue of hiding (not necessarily intentionally, fwiw) them in the database edits, and being done by instance admins rather than just mods of the communities. If your case against Lemmy.World is rather about the latter, that greatly reduces its overall applicability to the Fediverse, though in that case you would want to appeal to the admins to remove those mods? (unless they are the same people?)

    Worst of all, this issue with Lemmy.ml was eminently solvable: there are other instances that people can shift over to, which instantly solves it for them. But finding mods of such a high-profile and contentious community among our still fairly small user community base... may prove difficult. Especially when those people may receive literal death threats. So I am saying: you might not get as strong a response as you hope, having little to do with the content, and more to do with the psychology of people not wanting to put in actual effort to solve problems. Even so, your conscience will rest easy b/c you told people. And you may need to tell them again months later.

    Lastly, I hope it is obvious that Lemmy.World doing bad things in no way shape or form excuses Lemmy.ml from doing far worse things. Especially if you didn't even get banned, but merely censored. Not that that makes it alright, just that the vehemence of the linked OP made the situation much more noticeably obvious, whereas a more subtle pattern of discrimination may be harder to prove?

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