this post was submitted on 22 May 2024
296 points (96.8% liked)

News

22890 readers
3669 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I haven't and won't attempt any testing on this, for obvious reasons. But at the same time, if any AI system out there can manage to generate images of pre-puberty private parts, then the training data must have included inappropriate material to be able to distinguish the differences.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, that is quite literally not how it works. Insisting that that's how it works doesn't make it true.

This isn't secret data or a hidden process. You can just read how it works. It does not work how you are insisting it works. It was literally designed from the ground up to work in the way that you are insisting it doesn't.

Because I do not want to type gross things, let's discuss sauron, from the Lord of the rings.
He is never depicted without his armor. He is referred to only with male pronouns.

Lord of the rings, sauron

Entering a prompt into my local stable diffusion instance of Lord of the rings, sauron, naked Negative prompt: Armor returns an image of a naked figure with a predominantly male body and musculature, no pubic hair, vulva, and bony protrusions from the head. (The crown seems to have been converted into organic material).
Since it has no training on the specific notion of a nude sauron, it extrapolates from what it knows about the shape of sauron and typical words used with sauron, to what it knows about nudity.

This is clearly not the image I was looking for.
Giving it more specific prompting: Lord of the rings, sauron, wearing comical heart print underwear Negative prompt: Armor. This returns an image of a man with a similar build as before, but now lacking the bone spikes. This man has a prominent feature on his chest, similar to the glowing shape of the armored sauron but it's a heart shape, and he's wearing brief style underwear with only one heart, and a multitude of rings or rings shaped things on them.

This is the process by which one gets the system to produce something that it has never seen before in the fashion that one wants.
If you were to just ask it as though it should know what that immediate concept is, it will make vague random guesses that fit with what it knows.
Further concepts are required to guide it in the direction you're looking.
It does not know what sauron looks like under his armor, but it does know how to leave armor out of an image, what a naked man looks like, and what comical print underwear looks like, and that sauron is spikey and frequently associated with "dark, ominous, fire, volcano".

It does not know what child pornography would looks like, but it does know how all of the words you would use to describe it in detail change an image, and how to combine them together so they fit with each other.
That's why the individual in question is mentioned as having extremely detailed prompts. That's required to get it to do something it's unfamiliar with.
If you want a naked woman you can just say naked woman and it can go from there, because it knows that concept. Well enough that you often have to put in some work to get it to not include a naked woman, since it can associate them with anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Again, I've never tested the exact subject in question, and I'm not about to. So yes, I guess I am making some speculations here.

But I remember my own stages of puberty, and there are distinct differences between a young boy and a grown man. All I'm getting at is that if AI can generate a convincingly realistic image of an underage pre-puberty nude, then it must have been partly trained with underage images.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You are painfully dense or trolling.

One last try before I give up: can you describe what a pre-puberty individual looks like without referring to them as such? Congratulations, you know how to ask an AI that has never seen an inappropriate image of a child for one.

So yes, I guess I am making some speculations here.

That is abundantly clear, as you've been repeatedly corrected about how those speculations are entirely incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

More painfully dense than anything.

Don't blame the AI systems, they don't know anything more than what humans have taught it. Blame those that fed in inappropriate material, whether it's the images or the words and prompts. Blame those feeding AI the garbage, whether it's the developers or the users, or the sites the AI scrapes data from.

AI is neat and all, and often funny even, when used properly. But at the end of the day, whatever it generates was somehow created by human input.

Find and prosecute the humans that are using it for inappropriate purposes.