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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 years ago (2 children) You can't even imagine helping your neighbors, huh? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Keep telling on yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish the truth was different… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families. Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy. Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) If communism was so strong it wouldn't have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Might makes right, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It's not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail? The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) You overestimate how much the average person cares for people they don’t know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Keep telling on yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish the truth was different… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families. Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Keep telling on yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish the truth was different… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families. Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) I wish the truth was different… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families. Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is! Humans are naturally cooperative and empathetic, we aren't selfish assholes that only care about our immediate families. Empathy is a skill. It atrophies under capitalism, but it could be trained and flourish under different conditions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) From wikipedia: Ancient views of greed abound in nearly every culture. In Classical Greek thought; pleonexy (an unjust desire for tangible/intangible worth attaining to others) is discussed in the works of Plato and Aristotle.[9] Pan-Hellenic disapprobation of greed is seen by the mythic punishment meted to Tantalus, from whom ever-present food and water is eternally withheld. Late-Republican and Imperial politicians and historical writers fixed blame for the demise of the Roman Republic on greed for wealth and power, from Sallust and Plutarch[10] to the Gracchi and Cicero. The Persian Empires had the three-headed Zoroastrian demon Aži Dahāka (representing unslaked desire) as a fixed part of their folklore. In the Sanskrit Dharmashastras the "root of all immorality is lobha (greed).",[11] as stated in the Laws of Manu (7:49).[12] In early China, both the Shai jan jing and the Zuo zhuan texts count the greedy Taotie among the malevolent Four Perils besetting gods and men. North American Indian tales often cast bears as proponents of greed (considered a major threat in a communal society).[13] Greed is also personified by the fox in early allegoric literature of many lands.[14][15] Greed (as a cultural quality) was often imputed as a racial pejorative by the ancient Greeks and Romans; as such it was used against Egyptians, Punics, or other Oriental peoples;[16] and generally to any enemies or people whose customs were considered strange. By the late Middle Ages the insult was widely directed towards Jews.[17] In the Books of Moses, the commandments of the sole deity are written in the book of Exodus (20:2-17), and again in Deuteronomy (5:6-21); two of these particularly deal directly with greed, prohibiting theft and covetousness. These commandments are moral foundations of not only Judaism, but also of Christianity, Islam, Unitarian Universalism, and the Baháʼí Faith among others. The Quran advises do not spend wastefully, indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils..., but it also says do not make your hand [as though] chained to your neck..."[18] The Christian Gospels quote Jesus as saying, ""Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions",[19] and "For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.".[20] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) That's not "human nature", that's an evolutionary eye blink! Do you think people 50,000 years ago had concepts like that? Absolutely not! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yes they did. Dogs are greedy. Monkeys are greedy. You dont get far in this world if you dont have some sort of greed baked into your genes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) You aren't a dog and you aren't a monkey. Human nature is to cooperate and share among the tribe, and the tribe is basically just "anyone who lives in the same place." Yes, maybe expanding the tribe to include "everyone everywhere" is beyond human nature, but we're extremely good at welcoming new people into the tribe. There are countless examples throughout all of human history of new people being welcomed in despite being different, and that's so very different from basically the rest of the animal kingdom. Humans are amazing, stop being a misanthrope. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) MFW we’re trying to compare a small tribe to a countries spanning landmasses… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago Now you're just highlighting how unnatural human lives are, which makes the entire "human nature" talking point irrelevant anyway! Every civilization in history has thought of itself and everything it does as natural or ordained by god or somehow fated. It's all bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeather@lemmy.ca -5 points 3 years ago (2 children) In the entirety of human history communism has never worked. Not once has any society been able to work on the ideals of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy. Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) If communism was so strong it wouldn't have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Might makes right, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It's not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail? The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, because the US bombs them or funds terror cells or blockades their economy. Cold War. Communism was hunted and destroyed whereever it arose. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) If communism was so strong it wouldn't have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Might makes right, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeather@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 years ago (1 child) If communism was so strong it wouldn't have to worry about capitalist intervention. You just proved my point of communism / socialism being weak if the apparent enemy is easily able to wreck you economy and implode your country it is not a strong system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Might makes right, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child) Might makes right, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore. China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy. China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yeather@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (1 child) The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else. They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true! 1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol Gotta love western "freedom of press" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago It's impossible to uncouple society from capitalism. It's not a possibility, but it definitely could work. Maybe capitalism just needs longer than communism to fail? The wealthiest country in the world has unaffordable healthcare and homelessness, how is that capitalism working? permalink fedilink source parent