▲ 369 ▼ Elon Musk reveals Tesla software-locked cheapest Model Y, offers 40-60 more miles of range (electrek.co) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 173 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (11 children) What electric car was better than a Model X in 2015? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Renault Zoe, Kia Soul, BMW i3 and the list goes on. It just depends on what people expected of their cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) None of those had close to the range of the Model X in 2015. Having less than 200mi range makes things difficult. Doubly so because the charging infrastructure wasn't there (and barely is now). The infrastructure that did exist was put there by Tesla. Though with proper charging infrastructure, having more than 400mi isn't really necessary, and is almost silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suppose that‘s quite location dependent. In Europe those cars sold really well, better than the Tesla’s in 2015. Maybe that‘s because the distances are shorter and there always was more non Tesla charging infrastructure!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago Probably, yes. My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It's not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn't choose to do it except in a pinch. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -12 points 2 years ago (6 children) That would wholly depend on your qualifications of "better". Plenty of cars existed that could get you to work and back. None of them were "go 0-60 in 2 seconds and kill all the children in the crosswalk automatically with autopilot!". If that's your qualification for "better" then fine, you win. But there were other EV's that I thought were wholesale better after I looked at the early Tesla's in person and just couldn't get it out of my head of how ugly and dumb the car actually is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Woah, how did you know my definition of better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) My wife needs to run on a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. An EV reasonably capable of that didn't really exist outside of Tesla until the last few years. Please stuff the "kill all the children in the crosswalk" nonsense. It doesn't help anything. Until the Cybertruck, Tesla didn't even offer anything like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. Yes they did. Nissan Leaf. Chevy Spark. Fiat 500e... Many had sufficient range for the 70 miles you're talking about. Please stuff the “kill all the children in the crosswalk” nonsense. No. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-driving-technology-safety-children. Stop defending Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don't want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could. I'll criticize Tesla for actual reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Renault Zoe, Kia Soul, BMW i3 and the list goes on. It just depends on what people expected of their cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) None of those had close to the range of the Model X in 2015. Having less than 200mi range makes things difficult. Doubly so because the charging infrastructure wasn't there (and barely is now). The infrastructure that did exist was put there by Tesla. Though with proper charging infrastructure, having more than 400mi isn't really necessary, and is almost silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suppose that‘s quite location dependent. In Europe those cars sold really well, better than the Tesla’s in 2015. Maybe that‘s because the distances are shorter and there always was more non Tesla charging infrastructure!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago Probably, yes. My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It's not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn't choose to do it except in a pinch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) None of those had close to the range of the Model X in 2015. Having less than 200mi range makes things difficult. Doubly so because the charging infrastructure wasn't there (and barely is now). The infrastructure that did exist was put there by Tesla. Though with proper charging infrastructure, having more than 400mi isn't really necessary, and is almost silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suppose that‘s quite location dependent. In Europe those cars sold really well, better than the Tesla’s in 2015. Maybe that‘s because the distances are shorter and there always was more non Tesla charging infrastructure!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago Probably, yes. My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It's not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn't choose to do it except in a pinch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jdhdbdk@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suppose that‘s quite location dependent. In Europe those cars sold really well, better than the Tesla’s in 2015. Maybe that‘s because the distances are shorter and there always was more non Tesla charging infrastructure!? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago Probably, yes. My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It's not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn't choose to do it except in a pinch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago Probably, yes. My wife goes to work and back on a Mini EV, which is around 110 mi range. Basically a BMW i3 dropped into the chassis of a Cooper S. It's not suitable for road trips in the US. If L3 charging was a little more reliable, you could almost do it, but it would still suck and I wouldn't choose to do it except in a pinch. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -12 points 2 years ago (6 children) That would wholly depend on your qualifications of "better". Plenty of cars existed that could get you to work and back. None of them were "go 0-60 in 2 seconds and kill all the children in the crosswalk automatically with autopilot!". If that's your qualification for "better" then fine, you win. But there were other EV's that I thought were wholesale better after I looked at the early Tesla's in person and just couldn't get it out of my head of how ugly and dumb the car actually is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Woah, how did you know my definition of better? permalink fedilink source parent [–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) My wife needs to run on a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. An EV reasonably capable of that didn't really exist outside of Tesla until the last few years. Please stuff the "kill all the children in the crosswalk" nonsense. It doesn't help anything. Until the Cybertruck, Tesla didn't even offer anything like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. Yes they did. Nissan Leaf. Chevy Spark. Fiat 500e... Many had sufficient range for the 70 miles you're talking about. Please stuff the “kill all the children in the crosswalk” nonsense. No. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-driving-technology-safety-children. Stop defending Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don't want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could. I'll criticize Tesla for actual reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Woah, how did you know my definition of better? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) My wife needs to run on a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. An EV reasonably capable of that didn't really exist outside of Tesla until the last few years. Please stuff the "kill all the children in the crosswalk" nonsense. It doesn't help anything. Until the Cybertruck, Tesla didn't even offer anything like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. Yes they did. Nissan Leaf. Chevy Spark. Fiat 500e... Many had sufficient range for the 70 miles you're talking about. Please stuff the “kill all the children in the crosswalk” nonsense. No. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-driving-technology-safety-children. Stop defending Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don't want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could. I'll criticize Tesla for actual reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) a ~70 mile trip about once a week to help their mom, often in freezing temperatures. Yes they did. Nissan Leaf. Chevy Spark. Fiat 500e... Many had sufficient range for the 70 miles you're talking about. Please stuff the “kill all the children in the crosswalk” nonsense. No. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/09/tesla-self-driving-technology-safety-children. Stop defending Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don't want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could. I'll criticize Tesla for actual reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Now try it in freezing weather, and account for 70 miles in both directions. And you don't want to actually use the entire range, but rather sit in the 10-80% marks. No, none of them could. I'll criticize Tesla for actual reasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) and account for 70 miles in both directions. Now you've moved goalposts from the previous post. The trip magically went from 70 miles to 140 miles. If this conversation is just going to be shifting the argument repeatedly, then I'm just going to walk away. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago I didn't specify either way, and I'm sorry for assuming. permalink fedilink source parent