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Those in favor reply "Aye"

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

First vote, first big mistake.
This vote should be taken as invalid because arguments must be heared before an informed decision can be made. Valid arguments have been brought in after people had already voted.
[removed wrong user mention]

Edit: and there exist methods of not only doing a polarising yes/no vote but more nuanced ones when there is more than just one option. Systemic consensing is one that i know of.

Edit 2: we should first make sure that we agree on the modus operandi, anyway. For example, also the open "yes/no" reply vote might not be acceptable to everyone (there would have been up/down-voting available,why not use that?)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This vote should be taken as invalid because arguments must be heared before an informed decision can be made.

Why? No rules on it, you should make that a discussion/vote topic though.

@[email protected] to your consideration.

I try not to interact using my other accounts (not everyone can see burggit) so if you do ping me, just use the one related to the thing, please and thank you.

Edit: and there exist methods of not only doing a polarising yes/no vote but more nuanced ones when there is more than just one option. Systemic consensing is one that i know of.

Edit 2: we should first make sure that we agree on the modus operandi, anyway. For example, also the open “yes/no” reply vote might not be acceptable to everyone (there would have been up/down-voting available,why not use that?)

You can start your own voting ways on that kinda stuff, I just did this because it's likely what the ancient greeks at Agora would've done. Just shout your answer for all to hear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_vote#Ancient_Greece

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why? No rules on it, you should make that a discussion/vote topic though.

Common sense. No informed decision can be made if not all information has been brought forward.

if you do ping me, just use the one related to the thing, please and thank you.

My bad, i just tapped the first user the system suggested. Sorry for that, and good that it was still your account :-)

There have been more nuanced arguments made in this thread, this is why i had the idea.
I don't think that the ancient greeks didn't discuss their stuff before voting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey like I said, make a discussion/vote on it, hell I'll probably say Aye/whatever your system is to it. But for now since there just are no rules to this, this is just what we have to deal with.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I didn't mean to say that you acted in some ill faith. Just, not so fast! I see it as my responsibility to voice this, as the idea came to me, and because i haven't seen anyone else doing it.

Edit: Someone is already up to it, discussing the vote mechanics ... i'd suggest to repeat all ongoing votes after these have been established.
... And now that i saw there were numerous votes popping up, i'll apologise for seemingly randomly picking one of them. It was just the first vote link i saw in the info post b the admin. Could have complained anywhere, should have seen the whole forum first.