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It's just a "proposal," but it's also being prototyped inside Chrome right now.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is why Google shouldn't be allowed to have a browser monopoly. Switch to Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Firefox Forever 🦊

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

use firefox, block most javascript
if shit doesn’t work because it’s garbage, try safari
if shit still doesn’t work because it’s unimaginably garbage, try chromium
if shit STILL doesn’t work because it’s beyond salvageable garbage, well it’s unsalvageable find a new solution: never use chrome

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say you're being too lenient. Anything that doesn't work in Firefox is unsalvageable garbage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

some APIs just aren’t available… i’m not sure about web bluetooth for example, but when i had a play with that a while back (because it was the easiest way to connect to a bluetooth device to hack around), i wrote some control software that was chromium only because firefox didn’t support that API

same goes for some of the crypto APIs

and when firefox blocked cross-origin cookies and a bunch of SSO solutions stopped working… they weren’t garbage, they just were built on technologies that other peoples abused and were later deemed insecure - but not for their use-case

it’s acceptable to write software that doesn’t support firefox if it’s for a good reason

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Get ready for subscription-based browsers requiring verified accounts, that share your personally identifiable public key with each website you visit.

I really hope EU or FTC step in. That looks like a dangerous development.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately I think you may be guessing correctly.

In this case, we will just make a second internet with blackjack and hookers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We don't need anyone to step in. Just don't use browsers and websites that use that "feature".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

And that's why a diverse browser landscape is important.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't like this at all!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I think there are a couple of "phenomena" swirling around right now that are stimulating interest in this kind of DRM.

The first, of course, is AI. If people start using AI as an intermediary, it becomes difficult for web sites to push advertising or to even understand what views they are getting. Putting a DRM requirement on connections to your own web site would help you filter "real users" from AI and search engine bots, and potentially open an avenue to charging AIs & search engines for sucking out your content into their own databases.

Is this good? Bad? I mean, at some point, we have to figure out how to track the flow of information into AI so we can figure out how to charge for it, or every web site that depends on monetizing content will dry up. But yes, it means adding some draconian tracking & verification.

The second is the fediverse. Google makes money from advertising, and people are shifting to advertising-free platforms. The more time people spend in Mastodon, Lemmy, Calckey, Pixelfed, Peertube etc. the less time they are consuming advertising in Twitter (or whatever it is this week), Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, and Youtube.

A potential side effect of this DRM initiative might be to try and segregate the Internet into "safe" (that is, advertising-supported proper web sites that have gotten all registered with Google DRM and require it for full connectivity) and "unsafe" (those crazy nutballs running Mastodon instances), where Chrome is gonna throw up big red banners warning you that you're in a dark corner of the Internet whose safety cannot be assured!

I wonder if Google is looking out there at a BUNCH of the big players and asking, who is gonna be around in 20 years, and what technology can be put in place to help them lock down their investment?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

AI will certainly be a challenge for web sites. I think we must accept that the end of the 2010s internet is upon us. Add supported web sites, that offer the user as the product, will start to slowly disappear. That is not really a bad thing though. The drawback for us users is that services will start to cost money.

I read a comment by Bill Gates recently where he suggested that most people will interact with AI through personal assistants. This actually feels like a good point from him. A PA that actually works will add a lot, to a lot of people. Which goes to your point about how normal users will stop interacting with the web though an unfiltered browser and start using AI to access the web. Companies who sell actual good and services online should be safe as their income is not dependant on advertising.

I suspect normal users will end up paying for the search engines used by the AI. On some form of tiered approach. Apart from a few oddball users, like us here in the fedverse who will find other ways to make things work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

When I got in to the first Gmail beta I was singing their praises. I have remained staunchly pro-google with my technology decisions long after their search engine started towing political agendas and their "Don't be evil" tag was very much retired.

This might actually be the thing that pushes my android-loving ass to completely de-google my life.

I already use F-droid and Aurora for most of my apps. Pretty much the only things keeping me in their ecosystem at all are the backup components of google photos and android.

Ironically, to make the jump to Graphene OS I would have to give google money in the form of a handset purchase...that doesn't seem like a logical step in sending a fuck you to google.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Smells like lawsuit time

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

One day we'll all be in the deep web just trying to send a federated email to our boss trying to schedule a meeting for 2pm tomorrow afternoon.

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