Technology

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 72 points 3 weeks ago*

Rules for thee, but not for me

[–] artyom@piefed.social 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Article is paywalled but the reason Google can get away with it is because they're getting them shipped without any connectivity.

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[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Self driving cars

Shipped without connectivity

Weird

Also, can I buy a new car without telemetry? I guess I know the answer to that already.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 15 points 3 weeks ago

It has connectivity, its just added by Waymo after it arrives on shore.

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[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago

Obviously Google install their own connectivity.

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[–] benny@reddthat.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Why don't Chinese manufacturers do the same? Sell cars without connectivity, make updates or whatever available on a website.

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[–] jerakor@startrek.website 15 points 3 weeks ago

It is hardware. The embargo is on the connectivity silicon used in China because it is full of Chinese backdoors. Unlike the chips made elsewhere that have US backdoors

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[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

Why would China want you to have a car that doesn't send data back?

I mean neither would any other manufacturer, but with China you just know the government probably requires all that surveillance tech be added. Like voice control microphones on the OUTSIDE of some new Chinese cars. Why else would you have that?

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Great question.

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[–] majster@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

So Chinese automakers cannot import because they rather stay out of market than turn off connectivity?

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

That's the bullshit the US government wants you to believe. They need an excuse to force you to keep buying shitty trucks.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 3 weeks ago

Yes they wrote it into law to deceive you!

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[+] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago

Seems that way.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago

So cheap cars are out there and the corporations are grabbing them all up before the citizens. Now that capitalism is in it's last death throes they need to amass even more power and control before it all explodes and comes crashing down.

[–] FunnyUsername@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck Waymo

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Can Americans buy 2nd hand Chinese EVs or will these then become recycling nightmares as a giant outfit cuts every possible corner in a very loosly regulated area?

[–] artyom@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

You can import them after they're 25 years old but good luck getting parts or repairing them.

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[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Good luck finding a 25 years old EV.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 point 3 weeks ago

I mean I don't think 25 year old Chinese EVs exist. This would be a hypothetical future.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Unpopular opinion: Google’s approach actually makes sense here. The value isn’t the rolling metal box, it’s the autonomous driving stack. If Zeekr can build a high quality EV platform more cheaply, why reinvent it? Buy the best chassis, replace the electronics you don’t trust, and focus engineering effort where your competitive advantage actually is.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

I don't think anyone is thinking Google is in doing the wrong decision. The problem is that Google, and other corporations, work with a set of rules different to normal, not corporate entities, don't. Like they can bought the most competitive cars on the global markets, while regular Americans are stuck to whatever Ford and GM want to sell them.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Google isn’t getting special treatment here because it’s Google: Waymo isn’t importing finished consumer cars, it’s importing a vehicle platform, removing the original electronics, and integrating its own autonomous system. That’s much closer to sourcing components than selling Chinese EVs directly to the public, so it’s not really an apples to apples comparison.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 3 weeks ago

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] Grumpus_Maximus 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Wow. That's pretty messed up.

We should ban Amazon and Walmart reselling Chinese as well as Chinese cars

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

We should work to either innovate or partner with Chinese manufacturers when it comes to EV technology.

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

good luck with that in your republican america

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[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago

Step 1: new constitutional convention in order to replace the federal government, which has been in lawmaking deadlock for about 16 years.

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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

They ARE better. They're not good, but they are better than the subterranean bar Republicans set.

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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

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[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Conflating shitty with straight up fascists only serves to help the fascists.

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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world -17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Rolling spy machines... No worries in 2027 its coming to American cars.

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[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

America: it’s cute when we do it

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[+] TIEPilot@lemmy.world -16 points 3 weeks ago

Illustrates exactly what I was talking about.

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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

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[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

US technology isn't also spying on everyone

Uh thats what I said...

All you know of China is red scare propaganda you're stupid enough to fall for

Nope seen enough videos of people not able to get out of their BYD and burning to death to know I don't want them.

I don't shill for the ccp like you.

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[+] djsiete@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

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[–] TIEPilot@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

Let me indulge in watching china/ccp fall. Biggest employer is food delivery and they make shit construction. Belt and roads is being rebuffed by anyone that can't be bribed or black mailed into a bad deal. Oh and tell me about that dam that just failed, or is it a couple of them?

How many factories have been torched this week by disgruntled workers? 3 gorges dam is also nearing failure, let me guess only 29 lives will be lost. Those that know 30 deaths kick off the ccp. Mass flooding and you want to try to shit on America, lol.

Also Taiwan #1

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