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“Florida’s new black history curriculum says, ‘Slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit,’” she said to Gov. Ron DeSantis. “You have said slaves developed skills in spite of slavery, not because of it. But many are still hurt. For the descendants of slaves, this is personal. What is your message to them?”

She later asked former vice president Mike Pence: “The Department of Homeland Security warns that violence against LGBTQ+ people is on the rise and intensifying. According to a recent study, members of that community are nine times more likely to be victims of violent hate crimes. As president, how would you protect this community from violent attacks and discrimination?”

But the unsparing and frank manner in which she engaged with the Republican field prompted a wave of ferocious backlash from right-wing media figures watching back at home and one of Fox News’ own prime time hosts.

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[–] [email protected] 237 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm unfamiliar with her, but good on her for asking questions that are intended to make these people give impromptu and unrehearsed answers to questions that aren't soft queries on banal bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What were thier responses?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"woke CRT is destroying America!"

Cue right wing audience applause

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Why wasn't Obama at ground zero with the first responders!?!?"

*RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

"Hitler did some good things."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Nine... Eleven.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Copied from https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/second-republican-presidential-primary-debate-transcript

CALDERON: Governor DeSantis, I have a question for you. Governor DeSantis, I have a question for you. This new black history curriculum says quote, “slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit.”

You have said slaves develop skills in spite of slavery not because of it. But many are still hurt. For descendants of slaves, this is personal. What is your message to them?

DESANTIS: So first of all, that’s a hoax that was perpetrated by Kamala Harris. We are not going to be doing that. Second of all, that was written by descendants of slaves. These are great black history scholars. So we need to stop playing these games.

Here’s the deal. Our country’s education system is in decline because it’s focused on indoctrination, denying parent rights. Florida represents the revival of American education. We’re ranked number one in the nation in education by US News and World Report.

CALDERON: Vice President Pence, the Department of Homeland Security warns that violence against LGBTQ plus people is on the rise and intensifying, according to a recent study, members of that community are nine times more likely to be victims of violent hate crimes. As President, how would you protect this community from violent attacks and discrimination?

PENCE: Well, as President of the United States, I’ll — I’ll stand up for the safety and the civil liberties of every American, from every background. And I want the American people to know that. But I want to answer the question as well as, Dana, that you just asked Burgum. Because my way of full disclosure, Chris, you mentioned the President’s situation. I — my wife isn’t a member of the Teachers Union, but I got to admit I — I’ve been sleeping with a teacher for 38 years and a full disclosure. Look, education is a state and local function.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago

DESANTIS: So first of all, that’s a hoax that was perpetrated by Kamala Harris.

Lol what a tool

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So DeSantis lied and Pence tried to jump on that then answer her question.

And what assholes told him Florida is number 1 in education?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That link says #14 in K-12 education, which is what the question was about. So this is a perfect example of cherry picking some data (#1 in higher education) that sounds like it proves his point, but not really.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Additionally, if you click on that #1 Higher Education, it explains that it's based on the share of citizens who have degrees and student loan debt, which could all have little to do with the colleges in Florida. It also takes graduation rates of Florida colleges into account, which is an important metric, but without some context showing the quality of the programs, it doesn't mean much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

So essentially all that metric shows is that people with money who can afford college tend to retire where we all already consider the retirement capital of the county. Neat.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I was just posting what he probably referenced. Its not very nuanced, his voter base isnt going to look too deeply into it...

Shit even you guys wouldnt have looked into it had I not pointed it out.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We’re ranked number one in the nation in education by US News and World Report.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._News_%26_World_Report_Best_Colleges_Ranking#2023%E2%80%9324_rankings

LoL not even close

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

lol “the black chick did it”

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Weird that he says he's been sleeping with a teacher for so long, I wonder who he's referring to since he and Mother (his pet name for his wife) sleep in separate bedrooms by his own admission.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago

A metric shit ton of question dodging occured.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

They don't actually say in the article.... I Guess they can take the news out of CNN

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 11 months ago

Alternative title: "Republicans furious because debate moderator asked real questions to candidates expecting 10-ply softball questions"

[–] [email protected] 82 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why are they so afraid of answering questions that 50% of the country is asking? If it’s such a ridiculous question, take the opportunity to give it the answer it deserve and appreciate the person that gave you that opportunity.

I get it, though, to the fascists, a question is a dangerous thing.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Because the 50% that are asking those questions are the exact people Republicans don’t give a shit about.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I would argue 50% is low-balling the percentage of people they don't give a shit about.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I'd have to guess the number is closer to 99% based on the country's wealth distribution.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The people Republicans hate, you mean. The people Republicans don't give a shit about are other Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago

Good for her. We are their citizens too. One has a responsibility to their constituents even ones they dislike

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I haven't been paying attention. Is Mike Pence running for president? Doesn't he remember when his own supporters tried to hang him? Who would vote for him?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Mother, mother would vote for him... if pence allowed her to vote.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

There’s a thought that most of them are running for the vp spot. If Trump wins he’ll only be able to serve one term. Whoever is the vp has an advantage in 2028.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

If Trump gets in the Whitehouse again he won't be leaving until he is dead. They do all know he and his hardcore followers are trying to set him as a dictator?

And feudalist society is trying help make that happy with their 2025 project.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

If he manages to finish his term. Biden's old but so is Trump.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The DACA dodge by pence had me furious. I wish she would have just cut off their mics.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

It was just about what to do with all the “dreamers”, the children of illegal immigrants, many of whom are adults now with jobs and families.

Pence just refused to say what he’d do one way or the other.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How dare she ask the easiest softballs possible of candidates who should have well-prepared answers to!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

A woman asking men questions!!! The horror!! Woke culture has gone insane!!!!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

LMFAO, I love that the "young Republicans of Iowa" is a room full of old white men.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After welcoming viewers in Spanish (the debate was simulcast on Univision), Calderón queried the Republicans through the night on weighty issues related to immigration, hate crimes, health care, and more.

Ahead of the debate, which ultimately averaged 9.5 million viewers, Calderón told the Los Angeles Times she viewed her co-moderator role as a “big responsibility to represent all of our community” and was “preparing real and respectful questions.”

She later asked former vice president Mike Pence: “The Department of Homeland Security warns that violence against LGBTQ+ people is on the rise and intensifying.

But the unsparing and frank manner in which she engaged with the Republican field prompted a wave of ferocious backlash from right-wing media figures watching back at home and one of Fox News’ own prime time hosts.

“Why did the RNC who is supposed to stand for our values allow Univision BS leftist questions?” CPAC boss Matt Schlapp asked.

The outrage incited by the journalist’s questions spoke to a larger, worrisome trend that has taken root in the Republican Party in recent years, particularly under the thumb of Donald Trump, where right-wing figures often flock to friendly outlets to air their claims unchallenged.


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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

The hero we need.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

What do you think you’re doing?Don’t ask them hard questions! You’re supposed to just serve them lay-ups, not anything incisive and challenging!

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