"We don't discuss it with outsiders." -- Worf
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I won't judge Discovery for taking a swing as they say, they had big ideas and went for it. Fair play. While I never minded the rework as much as some others perhaps, I did think they went a bit far and it was too much unto Orcs territory. I do think their intial compromise in season 2 of disc was already pretty fine by giving them hair back and kinda soften their features to look less Orc like.
But having seeing the latest version, I do think that SNW have got right here. I do however hope that the Klingons keep some of their traits from disco in other respects. Mainly not being all about GLORY at all times and always act like a bunch of old, drinking sailors.
Discovery did some really interesting things with Klingon culture. I dearly hope L'Rell pops up on SNW.
Yes L'Rell was a pretty memorable character and the actor is very cool
biggest mistake DS9 made was not putting Worf in TOS make-up.
the audience will understand
The idea that people thought they needed to explain the different Klingon makeup because of a throwaway joke in a comedic episode is honestly crazy
It was all tied up in a nice little bow by Enterprise until Discovery decided to change them again though.
They look a ton better. Never was a fan of the S1 DSC design, but got used to it pretty quickly after episode 3, I think. But by the time they got hair in S2, I thought that they definitely were returning to a more classic TMP era look, but still distinctly DSC in design, maybe a bit less alien looking than before, but not by much. But these are the Klingons I wanted to see back, updated enough to give it some more detailed looks, but still strongly reminiscent of the TMP-TNG era ones we grew to love. Not sure about seeing the augmented ones though, not unless they are given slight ridges or something, similar to General Chang in ST6.
I absolutely hated the angry Disco blueberries with noses in their noses who couldn't talk properly through their fake teeth. I was so happy to see them go back in the right direction on SNW.
I’ve never been certain of this, but does ENT kinda say that the Klingons in tos were augment Klingons? But without the augment improvements?
@worfamerryman @ValueSubtracted Yeah, they're descendants of the Augment Klingons, but evidently there was an effective treatment that restored them to regular Klingon appearance by the 2270s.
Thanks. The augment Klingons did not have the augment powers right? They just looked like humans?
Yeah, that's why the general was pissed at the end. He wanted to stabilize the augments, but instead the doc created a cure with the side effect of still causing the dermal disfigurement.
I think they look really great. This is the best they have looked in all of the newer Trek stuff. They just look slightly modernized, but look and act exactly like the Klingons we remember. This episode wasn't perfect, but the Klingon unboot was.
They feel closest to the TOS cast movie era. Long uncomplicated hair, thin mustaches, simple forehead ridges. It felt like a good compromise.
I wonder what type of foreheads Kang, Kor and Koloth will have if any of them show up in SNW?
All 3 of them had smooth foreheads in TOS, but later showed up on DS9 in S2's "Blood Oath" with the TNG-era Klingon ridges.
One will be TOS style, one will be TNG, and one will be DSC. Just to mess with us.
As for why? They do not discuss it with outsiders.
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