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Defederate from Meta/Facebook/Threads? (ploum.net)
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I didn't realise that Meta was becoming/is already compatible with the Fediverse.

I deleted my Facebook account long ago, I saw what it was becoming and decided I didn't need that in my life.

What are everyone's thoughts on this.

See: this post for where I first read about it.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I would prefer not to federate with them. Their track record is abysmal and the privacy invasion is horrendous. One of the people over on Mastodon recorded more than 200 queries from the app within an hour of installing it - they are determined to scrape every last detail of your life into their advertising database and, well, fuck that.

Mastodon.nz announced a week or so back that they have no intention of federating with them and I found that to be reassuring: we're all here because we specifically Do Not Want a corporate body throwing adverts and algorithms at us.

It wouldn't surprise me if blasting the fediverse with millions of users is specifically designed to weaken smaller instances, just to oh-so-graciously offer their users and 'safer, more stable' place to set up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree on not federating with them. In addition to the EEE threat, the fediverse has a lot of growing pains just from the reddit exodus, so adding a shitload of users would break instances and make moderation basically impossible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is why I agree with avoiding federation with them for now. We need a more granular federation model than the current All or Nothing setup, to cut down on the whole data sponge thing from the corps. And there's a need for moderation toolkits that don't yet exist.

I think if those things existed, federation would be good because one of the shittier things about the corporate walled garden of social media is that their users can't see outside the walls. If they could, they might choose a different ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Thanks for opening this post. I was wondering the same. I just read that lemmy.ml had already decided to preemptively defederate and I think lemmy.nz should too. Don't want to see their content and also don't think threads/meta has good intentions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

My vote would be not to federate with them, for the reasons others have already said - privacy issues etc.

Personally one of the things I love about Lemmy/Fediverse is that it doesn't have any of that crap!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honest question, could threads federating backfire? If meta federates, suddenly everyone in EU will want a mastodon to be able to view Threads content, and mastodon has lots of much nicer and more mature apps, not to mention privacy concerns. I think it’s possible allowing Threads to federate could be very good for fediverse adoption in the short term at least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I guess it could be possible, but looking at the XMPP <-> GoogleTalk situation, it is very unlikely.

  • Embrace the open standard
  • Extend it with some propriety add-on, and because you have 1000 times users, you now become the "standard"
  • Extinguish the open version of the standard because users expect that all the things should work together; and now the open versions are considered "less" because they cannot work with the propriety bits.