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[–] victron@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (3 children) Good. Now, stop being forced as a snap, please. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 63 points 3 years ago (1 child) You could always use a distro made by sane people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (3 children) Bro, I've been using Kubuntu for 4 years, it's the most I have spend with a single distro, but I'm this close to jump to Debian 12 (in fact I just tried it with VirtualBox today), I'm just waiting for the weekend because job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] zettajon@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) As a user of Windows my entire life, I've tried Ubuntu and Manjaro before and went back to Windows. I randomly felt like trying Linux again recently and set up Debian 12, and am finally not going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Your words are encouraging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have also used Ubuntu when they sent out those free CDs. And for work when they had the Unity desktop (12.04 LTS). It was a good distro once. I am pretty happy with the Arch (btw) I installed as a VM on Ubuntu 12.04 and then used as my main OS on the new work PC since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) The memories. My first LiveCD was 10.04. Distro-jumped for some years, then left Linux altogether for some more, and returned and stayed with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phar@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago Yea do it. It boggles my mind why anyone would use Ubuntu at this point. Makes more sense to use Mint, even. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tram1@programming.dev 17 points 3 years ago (3 children) Kind of crazy that Ubuntu has some packages exclusively as snaps... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Crazy is installing a package through apt and having it install the snap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] win98se@programming.dev 10 points 3 years ago This... If I wanted an app in snap form, I would install it through snap instead. But installing an app through apt redirects to snap? No. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Holy shit, didn't know that permalink fedilink source parent [–] biddy@feddit.nl 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It makes sense that they don't want to maintain 2 versions. What doesn't make sense is that when you ask it for an apt, instead of saying "this package isn't avalible as an apt" and maybe "by the way it is available as a snap if you want", it just installs the snap without telling you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Canonical is not maintaining fuck-all. They're just re-distributing Debian packages (sometimes with a few patches on top at most). The Debian team is doing all the heavy lifting of packaging software (including firefox-esr). It's not a technical limitation that Canonical doesn't offer firefox as a deb. It's an intentional attempt to trap people into their walled garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago* I didn't say it was a technical limitation, I said it was laziness. Even if they just straight up take the deb from Debian, they are still responsible for if it works well on Ubuntu. Anyway, it's hardly a very good trap. You can still download the deb from Debian, or use Mozilla's ppa, or use flatpak. Or hell, snap is the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian at this point anyway, so just use any other Debian distro. I hate to be the person defending Canonical here as I vastly prefer community distros, but when the vast majority of people are using OSs from Microsoft, Apple and Google, painting Canonical as a big greedy villain sounds like a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I hate it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ChickenAndRice@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 63 points 3 years ago (1 child) You could always use a distro made by sane people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (3 children) Bro, I've been using Kubuntu for 4 years, it's the most I have spend with a single distro, but I'm this close to jump to Debian 12 (in fact I just tried it with VirtualBox today), I'm just waiting for the weekend because job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] zettajon@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) As a user of Windows my entire life, I've tried Ubuntu and Manjaro before and went back to Windows. I randomly felt like trying Linux again recently and set up Debian 12, and am finally not going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Your words are encouraging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have also used Ubuntu when they sent out those free CDs. And for work when they had the Unity desktop (12.04 LTS). It was a good distro once. I am pretty happy with the Arch (btw) I installed as a VM on Ubuntu 12.04 and then used as my main OS on the new work PC since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) The memories. My first LiveCD was 10.04. Distro-jumped for some years, then left Linux altogether for some more, and returned and stayed with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phar@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago Yea do it. It boggles my mind why anyone would use Ubuntu at this point. Makes more sense to use Mint, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victron@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (3 children) Bro, I've been using Kubuntu for 4 years, it's the most I have spend with a single distro, but I'm this close to jump to Debian 12 (in fact I just tried it with VirtualBox today), I'm just waiting for the weekend because job. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] zettajon@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) As a user of Windows my entire life, I've tried Ubuntu and Manjaro before and went back to Windows. I randomly felt like trying Linux again recently and set up Debian 12, and am finally not going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Your words are encouraging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have also used Ubuntu when they sent out those free CDs. And for work when they had the Unity desktop (12.04 LTS). It was a good distro once. I am pretty happy with the Arch (btw) I installed as a VM on Ubuntu 12.04 and then used as my main OS on the new work PC since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) The memories. My first LiveCD was 10.04. Distro-jumped for some years, then left Linux altogether for some more, and returned and stayed with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phar@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago Yea do it. It boggles my mind why anyone would use Ubuntu at this point. Makes more sense to use Mint, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zettajon@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) As a user of Windows my entire life, I've tried Ubuntu and Manjaro before and went back to Windows. I randomly felt like trying Linux again recently and set up Debian 12, and am finally not going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Your words are encouraging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Your words are encouraging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] joe_cool@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) I have also used Ubuntu when they sent out those free CDs. And for work when they had the Unity desktop (12.04 LTS). It was a good distro once. I am pretty happy with the Arch (btw) I installed as a VM on Ubuntu 12.04 and then used as my main OS on the new work PC since 2017. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) The memories. My first LiveCD was 10.04. Distro-jumped for some years, then left Linux altogether for some more, and returned and stayed with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) The memories. My first LiveCD was 10.04. Distro-jumped for some years, then left Linux altogether for some more, and returned and stayed with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phar@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago Yea do it. It boggles my mind why anyone would use Ubuntu at this point. Makes more sense to use Mint, even. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tram1@programming.dev 17 points 3 years ago (3 children) Kind of crazy that Ubuntu has some packages exclusively as snaps... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Crazy is installing a package through apt and having it install the snap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] win98se@programming.dev 10 points 3 years ago This... If I wanted an app in snap form, I would install it through snap instead. But installing an app through apt redirects to snap? No. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Holy shit, didn't know that permalink fedilink source parent [–] biddy@feddit.nl 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It makes sense that they don't want to maintain 2 versions. What doesn't make sense is that when you ask it for an apt, instead of saying "this package isn't avalible as an apt" and maybe "by the way it is available as a snap if you want", it just installs the snap without telling you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Canonical is not maintaining fuck-all. They're just re-distributing Debian packages (sometimes with a few patches on top at most). The Debian team is doing all the heavy lifting of packaging software (including firefox-esr). It's not a technical limitation that Canonical doesn't offer firefox as a deb. It's an intentional attempt to trap people into their walled garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago* I didn't say it was a technical limitation, I said it was laziness. Even if they just straight up take the deb from Debian, they are still responsible for if it works well on Ubuntu. Anyway, it's hardly a very good trap. You can still download the deb from Debian, or use Mozilla's ppa, or use flatpak. Or hell, snap is the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian at this point anyway, so just use any other Debian distro. I hate to be the person defending Canonical here as I vastly prefer community distros, but when the vast majority of people are using OSs from Microsoft, Apple and Google, painting Canonical as a big greedy villain sounds like a joke. permalink fedilink source parent [–] victron@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago I hate it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) Crazy is installing a package through apt and having it install the snap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] win98se@programming.dev 10 points 3 years ago This... If I wanted an app in snap form, I would install it through snap instead. But installing an app through apt redirects to snap? No. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Holy shit, didn't know that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] win98se@programming.dev 10 points 3 years ago This... If I wanted an app in snap form, I would install it through snap instead. But installing an app through apt redirects to snap? No. It's ridiculous and unacceptable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victron@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Holy shit, didn't know that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biddy@feddit.nl 16 points 3 years ago (1 child) It makes sense that they don't want to maintain 2 versions. What doesn't make sense is that when you ask it for an apt, instead of saying "this package isn't avalible as an apt" and maybe "by the way it is available as a snap if you want", it just installs the snap without telling you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Canonical is not maintaining fuck-all. They're just re-distributing Debian packages (sometimes with a few patches on top at most). The Debian team is doing all the heavy lifting of packaging software (including firefox-esr). It's not a technical limitation that Canonical doesn't offer firefox as a deb. It's an intentional attempt to trap people into their walled garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago* I didn't say it was a technical limitation, I said it was laziness. Even if they just straight up take the deb from Debian, they are still responsible for if it works well on Ubuntu. Anyway, it's hardly a very good trap. You can still download the deb from Debian, or use Mozilla's ppa, or use flatpak. Or hell, snap is the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian at this point anyway, so just use any other Debian distro. I hate to be the person defending Canonical here as I vastly prefer community distros, but when the vast majority of people are using OSs from Microsoft, Apple and Google, painting Canonical as a big greedy villain sounds like a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Canonical is not maintaining fuck-all. They're just re-distributing Debian packages (sometimes with a few patches on top at most). The Debian team is doing all the heavy lifting of packaging software (including firefox-esr). It's not a technical limitation that Canonical doesn't offer firefox as a deb. It's an intentional attempt to trap people into their walled garden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago* I didn't say it was a technical limitation, I said it was laziness. Even if they just straight up take the deb from Debian, they are still responsible for if it works well on Ubuntu. Anyway, it's hardly a very good trap. You can still download the deb from Debian, or use Mozilla's ppa, or use flatpak. Or hell, snap is the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian at this point anyway, so just use any other Debian distro. I hate to be the person defending Canonical here as I vastly prefer community distros, but when the vast majority of people are using OSs from Microsoft, Apple and Google, painting Canonical as a big greedy villain sounds like a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 3 years ago* I didn't say it was a technical limitation, I said it was laziness. Even if they just straight up take the deb from Debian, they are still responsible for if it works well on Ubuntu. Anyway, it's hardly a very good trap. You can still download the deb from Debian, or use Mozilla's ppa, or use flatpak. Or hell, snap is the main difference between Ubuntu and Debian at this point anyway, so just use any other Debian distro. I hate to be the person defending Canonical here as I vastly prefer community distros, but when the vast majority of people are using OSs from Microsoft, Apple and Google, painting Canonical as a big greedy villain sounds like a joke. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ChickenAndRice@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent