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r/Warframe will reopen on June 21st. - Subreddit discussion megathread (dormi.zone)
submitted 3 years ago* by [M] to c/warframe@dormi.zone
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The r/Warframe subreddit will be reopening in a restricted form on June 21st, when the 7 Crimes of Kullervo update releases.

While dormi.zone was initially created as an alternative platform for r/Warframe on Reddit during its blackout, since then we have gained subscribers from all across the fediverse who have been yearning for a place to discuss Digital Extremes' flagship game. Thank you for joining and helping this community grow!

We recognize that there needs to be a space to discuss the fate of r/Warframe, but we're also noticing a rising amount of duplicate posts about this topic, aggravating users who are here to discuss Warframe the videogame and may have even found their way here through means other than our blackout.

To keep these posts from overwhelming the frontpage of this community without denying them the visibility they should have, we will be funneling all discussion about the r/Warframe subreddit in this pinned megathread.

Once r/Warframe reopens, meta discussion about r/Warframe will return to Reddit.

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[–] 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

It sounds like you don't even know what the API changes effect, and why they are bad for both users and moderators.

Mods were promised first party moderation tools years ago that still do not exist. API changes are killing third party alternatives without providing a replacement. https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/141oqn8/comment/jn1234u/

The Official Reddit App on Android has issues banning people that have already been shadow banned by reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/modhelp/comments/13t1npy/cannot_ban_a_user_in_my_subreddit/jlsupdm

There is poor accessibility support for visually impaired users. (r/blind is in the top 5% of subs and they can't bother making their app accessable for them, does Reddit really care about its user base?) https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/13zr8h2/reddits_recently_announced_api_changes_and_the/ There are even a couple posts on r/warframe from blind users

If Reddit actually cared about selling API access to 3rd party Developers, it would not have taken 3 months to respond to a developer. Honestly can't believe they claim to be "profit driven" when they can't be bothered to provide access to their PAID API. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_the_community_about_changes_to_our_api/jnk2q0e

They do not have documentation ready for the new API, even though it should be going live at the end of the month. https://developers.reddit.com/waitlist

Helpful bots like remindme/savevideo/wiki bots/wanderingdwarfminer are dead with the API changes. Can't pay for access to the API to keep them alive and there is no available documentation available to update them either.

Then there is also the issue that unless a moderator is on the first party app/official site, they can not see/moderate any content on a NSFW post. Want to post anything that breaks the subs rules, make it an NSFW post.

There was also some mention that it may be possible in the future for trolls to brigade a sub and take it over. Obvious targets for this would be any subs that are educational (r/learnjapanese already had someone requesting to take over), AskHistorians: push whatever alternate history you believe in, or for the "controversial" subs, I expect politics/lgbt type subs to be harrassed if a policy like this goes forward. Why is this even an option support plans to offer, and pass it off as "being in the community's best interest". If someone doesn't like the moderation team, they should be told to make their own sub, not be given the community the mods worked to create. The sub would have died long ago if mods were doing terrible job.

Just because something doesn't effect you directly doesn't mean it doesn't have negative consequences for the rest of the community or even an unforseen impact to yourself. Without the blackout, a lot of these issues would have gone unnoticed by the general community, these were all points I found skimming through the AMA.

*Feel free to correct me on any of my points, or even add to them. A lot of this information was learned through skimming, and I've linked to some quick sources that I used as references, or even better, go ask the affected communities directly how the API changes effect them.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Feel free to correct me on any of my points, or even add to them.

    Okay some notes to add:

    1. The accessibility focused third party apps (Dystopia for iOS, Redreader for Android, there might be more) were granted exemptions to the API pricing, so they can continue to operate after the changes. Dystopia will also soon be available on the iOS App Store (as opposed to having to use Testflight) so as a silver lining it'll be easier to access for users who need it, while Redreader is considering implementing Lemmy support.

    2. Bots are in a weird place because most likely don't exceed the API usage rates for the free tier - RemindMe Bot for example has explicitly stated it isn't going to die with the changes, and that its usage is well under the free tier. I imagine smaller community-specific ones (like the wf subreddit ones) will similarly be far below the free tier limits.

    3. For desktop, the mod tools extension (Toolbox) will remain in their current state, and RES expects to as well. Both projects have dwindling interest in continued development aside from basic maintenance though, certainly not helped by reddit's increased hostility to developers. Newer reddit features also aren't exposed to the api so Toolbox can't integrate them them either.

    tl;dr: Some small progress in accessibility concerns, not really enough. Reddit doesn't deserve a medal for doing the bare minimum in not completely rejecting every blind user from using their service, though noting what they're doing on that front (good and bad) still matters.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    1. Minor addition to your point for accessibility apps, they don't have access to NSFW content because they are considered a third party app. https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/146lmu6/accessible_blindnessspecific_reddit_apps_can_use/ Profanity is enough to require a thread to be marked NSFW according to Reddit's own content policy.

    2. I had the impression that some bots being allowed to stay is a more recent change, added after the protest started rather than being exempt initially. I remember reading a banner saying something like "bots used for moderation may be exempt from api fees" and was changed to "see how much api usage bots consume". I am going off of memory for this as I don't have screen shots of either banner and loading reddit in private does not bring back either banner message.

    3. RES has stated they likely wouldn't be effected because they're using the authentication provided by the local user rather than OAuth. It also sounds like their API usage is very little, is significantly less than what a full 3rd party application would require to function.

    4. I'm not a mod, and have never modded, so any information I have on that comes from reading other's posts, and sharing information. Considering how active the meta thread is though, I was fully expecting anyone seeing this to either correct any information that I got wrong or even add to parts I missed.

    *Side note for Lemmy, the public modlog is an interesting feature for transparency, although it gets a little messy with other communities being shown in there. It was nice having pushshift around to see why something was removed, but now that's gone for anyone that isn't a moderator that has requested access.

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