The flatpak hate especially feels like thinly veiled elitism. I get that it should not be proprietary so fuck snap but flatpak is okay in my book. :)

I agree, and for me its irrelevant because I will figure out how to make any software I need to use work. Flatpak, snap, aptget, straight from github, whatever, I don't mind. I'll figure it out.

But for some one who has very little patience for figuring it out, I really need a solution that for them 'just works'.