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In California, a high school teacher complains that students watch Netflix on their phones during class. In Maryland, a chemistry teacher says students use gambling apps to place bets during the school day.

Around the country, educators say students routinely send Snapchat messages in class, listen to music and shop online, among countless other examples of how smartphones distract from teaching and learning.

The hold that phones have on adolescents in America today is well-documented, but teachers say parents are often not aware to what extent students use them inside the classroom. And increasingly, educators and experts are speaking with one voice on the question of how to handle it: Ban phones during classes.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago (6 children)

I don't have kids, and when I was in school no one had phones, so I'm way out of the loop, but there were various electronic devices that could be a distraction. Portable music players, handheld games, even a graphing calculator in a non-math or science class, any one of these would have been confiscated if used during class.

I can not think of a single reason a student should have access to a phone during class that can't be solved another way.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

I don’t think the issue is that teachers don’t want to take away the distractions, it’s more that they aren’t given the needed authority any more.

Students have notably less respect for their teachers and will often simply refuse to obey, and physically forcing them is obviously out of the question. Not to mention the absolute shitstorm that breaks over any teacher when one of the students complains at home and so invokes the fury of a helicopter parent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

We used to sneak Tiger electronic handheld games into class. Just put it in your lap and pretend you were reading the textbook.

I mean yeah, we got caught sometimes. But not often enough to stop doing it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The scourge in my grade school was Rubik’s Cubes.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What I actually like about phones in classrooms is a transparency. Every fuck up like teacher being rude or kids picking fights with each other would be recorded from a couple of angles. 20-30 teens collected together in a small room and feel bored is a recipe for something to happen, especially when teacher is that bad at getting their attention. That's a highlighted reason why the same law was introduced in my country - to defend teachers from responsibility while they are to indocrinate youth with things even kids don't find believable and use force if necessary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

If you are into surveillance wouldn't it be easier to just install cameras everywhere and record everything? Then phone can stay away and locked.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for this, it sounds like a 1984 nightmare. It's just that you don't need kids with phones to enact surveillance

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It matters who have that survelliance capability. With phones all parties are equal to report problems, with cameras - it's school, and it's not that hard to imagine them losing data when they themselves are at risk of a lawsuit. Besides, mass surveiliance via cameras would rightfully meet a pushback (and it's an overkill) while phones are already here and already fixated tons of problems.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Totally agree camera it's an overkill and they rightly meet a push back, I'd be one of those. It's just that we are trying to fix something that in dont see as a problem, with something that doesn't make any sense. Phones haven't been in a classroom for long. If the main reason you think they should remain is because they have a camera and they might catch something, it looks like a pretty weak one to me given all the downsides - kids at school are not schooling l.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

It was one of the reasons why banning phones is stupid. Besides obvious, like a way to contact a child when it's not at home, or using it to find information, access cloud documents, editing them.

Phones aren't a problem. Bad parenting and bad teaching are.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you are into surveillance wouldn't it be easier to just install cameras everywhere and record everything? Then phone can stay away and locked.

Never works in kids' favor. Catch teacher lying or yelling? Never.

If you wondering that country is Russia.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

would have been stolen*

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago

As someone with severe ADHD, if I don't have something to listen to(through headphones obviously) or to mess with in my hands, I can pay attention to about 3 words before I am completely distracted with how the ceiling tiling looks. I get that a lot of students simply don't pay attention as a result of their phone, but for some of us, it's the only reason we can pay attention.

Not to mention, ebooks are a thing, and when you're pirating them you don't have to worry about overdue fees or your book getting stolen/damaged.

Final point, a lot of my teachers were dogshit, so learning from Wikipedia and other sources was vastly more entertaining and informative than listening to them try to explain addition to that dumbass in the back for the 8th time when he can't even read