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Facebook turns over mother and daughter’s chat history to police resulting in abortion charges (www.theverge.com)
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A stark example of how digital footprints will be utilized in a post-Roe America

The article is from Aug 10, 2022 but remains relevant

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[–] [S] 48 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

It is not a different issue. It is an issue of basic human rights.

A woman's right to agency over her body is an unalienable human right. The existing laws violate her human right.

Then police used those messages to incriminate women according to existing law.

"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws. " - Martin Luther King, Jr. in "Letter from Birmingham Jail" (1963)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    It is not a different issue. It is an issue of basic human rights.

    I don’t believe it’s a basic human right to murder a late term foetus. That’s not a right enshrined in any UN convention or national constitution. That’s something you want.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    Yeah but your opinion is total shit and worthless ...... so who cares what you gotta say?

    awe seems I pissed off religious extremists how ever would I sleep at night after this, oh yeah just fine.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I mean, I’m pro-choice and I downvoted you because you would rather troll this person and add to the negativity than state your case. I downvoted them too, for the record.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Why make a case to people who have no want to hear said case, have probably heard all the cases already and continue to want to control people? I am done talking to people that want to decide others lives and put them at risk, they don't care about them so why should I care about the person trying to retain control?

    I am willing to explain myself to you, but you as stated do not intend to steal rights and you being pro choice already know all the reasons why I am against people taking others rights so I don't have to explain it because it is falling either on ears that know or ears that don't want to hear.

    I am sick off pretending malice is ignorance.

    I am just telling them to get lost as we should with all people that want to take others rights.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Thanks for your explanation. While I get what you’re saying, the way I see it, a counterpoint against a person who is clearly adamantly anti-choice isn’t about changing the mind of that person you are talking with but, rather, the person looking in and reading the discussion on this case about a hot-button issue. Their minds may be swayed by the tone and evidence from one side or the other. Of course, you can chose to conduct yourself online however you’d like. I just don’t think it furthers the pro-choice cause.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I understand your reasoning and have practiced it before with minimal success, they do not want civil discussion nor do they care about rights or facts, they think you are a murder sympathizer and have no interest in listening to you because reasoning does not matter to them.

    IMO teaching people to have and improve the cognitive skills needed to determine facts and to find accurate information is more important in fighting things like this. Which basically mean better schooling, when you can have more of an impact on teaching good behaviors and skills.

    Sorry to tell you a comment on a website with all the facts in the world is unlikely to sway a lot of peoples minds on abortions rights when they could already look up all those facts and opinions. it is kinda hard to sway people set in an idea based on emotion when the facts are already out there and they don't care.

    Also all of that is again assuming they are not malicious but just misguided, tbh I thing we tend to give a lot of leeway by saying "oh they are just ignorant" eventually ignorance turns to malice if you are unwilling to change it after being told multiple times.

    Most do not care to change or care about what helps people with no intent to change, rather just tell them to leave us alone and move on without the trash.

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Don't know why you are getting mad at me, I replied to a person against abortion, which I disagree with. Not you, who said it was a human right, which I agree with. So I do care about making sure abortion is legal, I don't care to listen to the religious extremist horseshit ideals on why it should be illegal.

    I assume you just got the notification because it's your post and assumed I was talking to you when I am not saying your opinion does not matter, just peoples opinion that want's to take away human rights.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 3 years ago

    The human right to agency is every human beings right to consent over what happens to and in their body. Denying that right to a woman is against her basic & unalienable human right. Anyone denying a woman that basic right rejects women as human beings.

    Human rights are not subject to your belief system.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago*

    Do any constitutions or UN conventions give you the right to use the internet? Shouldn't this count as healthcare, for which there are at least 6 UN conventions? Don't 13 states ban all forms of abortion including early, in which not even the heart has formed?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    The chat that FB handed over:

    "Ya the 1 pill stops the hormones an rhen u gotta wait 24 HR 2 take the other," read one of her messages.

    Celeste Burgess writes, "Remember we burn the evidence," and later, "I will finally be able to wear jeans."

    They faced charges of concealing a death and disposing of human remains illegally.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    There is no such thing as a late term abortion. The fetus would be viable. No person seeking an abortion would wait seven to nine months, bullshit laws or no bullshit laws. An abortion is a termination of a pregnancy, not a fetus. Abortions are typically performed before the embryo even has a chance to develop into a fetus (10 weeks).

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago*

    As of 2015 in the United States, more than 90% of abortions occur before the 13th week, 1.3% of abortions in the United States took place after the 21st week,[4] and less than 1% occur after 24 weeks.[5][6]

    No one is terminating viable fetuses in the third trimester.

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