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Waiting For the Fall (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 16 points 2 years ago (58 children)

What do you hope comes after it ?

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 years ago (47 children)

    Socialist phase where means of production are owned by the workers, and then communism.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (43 children)

    You can have cooperatives right now.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 2 years ago (42 children)

    The problem there is getting the initial seed funding. Investors put money into companies because they want to have control over the company, and they can't do that with a cooperative. There is a systemic bias towards capitalist company structure because of that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (41 children)

    Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 2 years ago (40 children)

    The reality clearly demonstrates that investors don't bother investing in coops. You've obviously never actually tried to get investors to invest in a coop.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (39 children)

    No I haven't.

    But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

    Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 years ago (38 children)

    I recommend learning a bit about the subject before arguing about it. Cooperatives don't issue bonds because nobody is going to buy these bonds.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Anarchist government, preferably communist in nature but mutualist works too.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Plenty if you study history and anthropology. How do you think humans lived for millenia before the invention of currency? You do realize thousands of years separate that from advent of trade and long after we settled down to form permanent communities?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Nonsense. There is no returning to small-scale egalitarian societies. Large-scale societies are a trap; once you embrace them, you can never go back apart from in extreme isolation. Spend even 5 minutes thinking seriously about it and you will see why it's a pipe dream.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You think there is no authority in anarchist government? Have you ever read about horizontal-democracies?

    Anarchist just means "against coercive authorities" namely "centralized and hierarchical governance"

    You realize the fediverse that creates lemmy is an anarchist structure right?

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