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Serious question. I'm vaguely familiar with him as a political commentator on the left, but the more I see of the guy, the more I think he's just a liberal.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The hell is a non-marxist socialist

Its like saying “meat based tofu”

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

unscientific utopian socialism, the kind Engels is contrasting with in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Arguably the most common kind of socialism in the 'west' historically. To go off of what @emizeko said, they were usually utopian socialists, particularly religious and nudist sects in the U.S., there is a whole sect of German utopians that set up around Missouri I think, but there were lots of these groups up south of Seattle, and even (famously) anarchist nudist socialists on the peninsula in Seattle.

They were non-Marxist in that they didn't subscribe to any variety of Marxist economic or geo-political thinking, and they usually are big on libertarian principles coming first.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nudist, you say? Maybe we could learn something from these people.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nudity is not inherently sexual. Unlearn puritan mindset.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Stop ragging on the bit and maybe I will.

Edit: Sorry that was rude. I don't think there is anything inherently sexual about nudity, I was just playing with the way it was brought up.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Frank Herbert grew up on one of those communes in Oregon.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm pretty sure the modern conception of socialism came out of the French Revolution and cropped up here and there in the early 19th century, and was pretty janky before people started figuring things out. More like a pre-Model T car or something. Clank clank awooga socialism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Libertarian socialism? I don't think most left-libertarians would consider themselves Marxists despite largely agreeing with his work

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Basically a social democrat.