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Stop using Brave Browser (www.spacebar.news)
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[+] -54 points 3 years ago (2 children)

no one wants to secure their web render so they'll always use whatever is native to the platform.

on windows that's chromium. on macos that's webkit.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    What does this even mean. Chromium or Webkit are not "native" to an OS. OSs don't magically include browser engines, its not a critical component of an OS either.

    Most OSs do come with browsers preinstalled, but they are programs just like any other. You can remove Safari from macOS (albeit its pretty hard because root is read only and signed), you can remove Edge from Windows. In my desktop with Windows 10 the only browser I have is Firefox (not even Edge), does that make Gecko the "native" browser engine?

    If anything, the native browser engine for Windows would be MSHTML from Internet Explorer.

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  • [+] -40 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    you're overthinking the word native.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So what is "native to the platform" according to your definition?

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  • [+] -8 points 3 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What?

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  • [+] -18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    what's your confusion

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Chromium isn't native to Windows. iOS is the only OS (I'm aware of) where browsers are forced to use a specific engine, but even that will be changing

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  • [+] -32 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    you're overthinking the word native.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    No, I'm not. Chromium doesn't exist in Windows unless you install a program that includes it. Chromium web engine is "native" to the chromium web browser, not to any OS (except maybe ChromeOS). As espi mentioned, Internet explorer's mshtml is the only engine "native" to Windows. Just look at the Opera browser, they changed web engines from Presto to chromium; that's not using "what's native to the platform" (Opera works across all OS's with chromium, except for iOS for the restriction I mentioned before), it's using what the developers/company want to use to render their pages. Nothing in Windows itself provides any of the chromium engine "pieces"

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This was true until Edge transitioned to Chromium. Now the natively installed browser in Windows is Chromium based.

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  • [+] -25 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    careful, you used the word native.

    Firefox users apparently get triggered by it.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Edge is using EMET for memory protections.

    Chrome has EMET disabled because it's own memory protections conflict and it just won't execute.

    When you're make a web view for Windows you're either bringing a long your own rendering or using Edge because it's included.

    No one wants to secure their own rendering which is why they all use whatever is already there which is EMET which is a pita to test so they just go with Edge.

    native is just jargon for "what is already there."

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    EMET? The framework that was end-of-lifed in 2018? I'd bloody well hope Chrome doesn't use something that isn't supported anymore.

    Chrome's sandboxing is weird and prone to breaking, but at least it isn't stuck relying entirely on a kernel framework exclusive to an OS that people are extremely hesitant to keep up-to-date.

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