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Anyone know what's going on with Wagner in Russia (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml
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Seeing mixed reports about the head of wagner rolling into Rostov, Russia. All kinds of other rumors swirling around. Anyone have any good info, or good sources to follow?

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[–] 13 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

They should end the war. What we've been seeing now was Russia trying to deplete the West's reserves, which is okay, but the longer you prolong a conflict the more probably it is to backfire. Ram full force and end this.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I don't think Russia has that option. If Russia doesn't totally win the Ukraine conflict, they'll be fully torn apart and balkanized.

    The west wants their resources, and doesn't want any opposition.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    torn apart? how so?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Idk I feel like "balkanize" is pretty clear.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    And then what? Abandon Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea?

    Ukraine has already said that they are not willing to negotiate until they have their territory back, so good luck “ending the war”? How would they even accomplish that on the dime? Nuclear blanket on Ukraine?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I don't mean ending the war like that, what I meant is mobilising more soldiers, more airstrikes, etc. I just think Russia has been playing not as strongly as they can to deplete the West's arsenal, which I think makes sense it was a good move, but now I would rather see it unfold in a faster manner. Maybe I don't have as much intel on Russia's capabilities and all of that and it's not feasible, it's just what I'd like to see.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Thank you, that makes a lot more sense.

    Sadly I do not think that’s possible. It might not be a popular thought here, but I believe this might be the extent of the Russian army, Air Force, and navy capabilities.

    They have been doing a good job at grinding down NATO assets, but at a large loss to themselves in an unsustainable manner, and they seem unable to muster any actual offensive strength. Seeing as how the lines have been basically static for the past year and half; with significant losses on the Russian side (failed drive on Kiev, and the loss of Kherson and Kharkov just to name a few).

    While grind NATO in a war of attrition might be the best thing Russia can do, at the same time Sun Tzu’s message that the worst war is a long war still rings true. With a long war (even if you’re winning) you will still encounter war weariness from the population whose support will slowly diminish, you will face irreplaceable losses in men, machine, and fuel, and your troops will become battle fatigued and lose interest in the conflict.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    It might not be a popular thought here, but I believe this might be the extent of the Russian army, Air Force, and navy capabilities.

    I think it's more the Russian government realizing that, in order to prosecute this war as it probably should be prosecuted, they would need to take the irrecovable final step: de facto abandonment of the post-1991 political order and re-Sovietization of the Russian economy. This, we know, is something that they're extremely reluctant to do. Over the past twenty years, they've made certain steps in this direction, but only when absolutely compelled by circumstances, and when the alternative is literal destruction of Russia. Some of this reluctance stems from liberal ideology, which still has a very strong hold in most countries; some of it is probably from a mass of mid-level bureaucrats and people in the security services (Putin's original base of support) who are genuinely patriotic, but also shell-shocked from the 90s, and who thus have an irrational but completely understandable fear of anything which will, in the common phrase, "rock the boat." But it all adds up to a government which feels that the status quo is extremely fragile, and hence values stability above almost anything else; which is to say that they are "conservative" in the only real meaning of the term.

    Either Shoigu or Lavrov is supposed to have said last year that when this conflict ends, "we will have the Soviet Union back." There's a truth to that, because Russia right now is like a bullied person, or a battered woman, under the boot of that thug which is the collective west; the person under the boot has been able to dictate more and more terms of late, but ultimate emancipation still means throwing off the bully, climbing to one's feet, and socking him hard in the jaw. When that step is taken, the bullied person becomes finally himself again, and Russia again becomes the USSR, by force of material reality and the natural progression of the real modes of production; but it is a risky step, and the politicians in Moscow will not take it unless forced.

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