Viking_Hippie comments on Hundreds of feet up in the air

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You're talking about the part of the economy that establishment media and politicians focus on.

That part overwhelmingly measures how things are for the very rich while ignoring key metrics that better reflect how the ENTIRE economy is doing.

I'm talking about the ENTIRE economy, which in fact has gotten steadily worse ever since the early 70s with the only major anomalies being for the WORSE.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Yeah, true. I talk about what 99% of people know as the economy, bnp and all that crap.

If you want to talk about something else, please do, but you shouldn't use "economy" for that IMO, and trying to change what virtually everyone thinks "economy" stands for is just muddying the waters.

If you had said, they are unhappier, there is more poverty etc. I would have said, yes you are perfectly right.

But that wasn't what was discussed.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I talk about what 99% of people know as the economy, bnp and all that crap.

Well 99% of people have been gaslighted into believing a distortion so severe that it's essentially a lie.

If you want to talk about something else, please do, but you shouldn't use "economy" for that IMO, and trying to change what virtually everyone thinks "economy" stands for is just muddying the waters.

I couldn't disagree more! To do what you're asking of me would amount to accepting the lie and reinforcing it. The majority going along with a false narrative makes it MORE important to be clear about what's ACTUALLY going on despite the establishment narrative, not less!

that wasn't what was discussed.

Wrong again. An economy is "The [entire] system or range of economic activity in a country, region, or community.", not just the parts that the establishment has tricked the larger population into focusing on in order to present a false impression that what's good for their owner donors is good for the country.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Oh, 99% of all people are wrong and only you and a handful of people are right.

Well I don't think you are, and so do the vast majority of the whole world. But keep believing if you're happier that way.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

99% is YOUR grossly exaggerated figure. More than 1% of the world knows enough to see through the establishment media and politicians' lie.

But yes, framing the small section of the economy that overwhelmingly affects the rich most as "the economy" IS wrong no matter how many people have been gaslighted into believing that it's accurate.

It's the equivalent of basing the statistics of all car sales on how many limousines and Lamborghinis are sold.

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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Eloquent. Added to my to-be-plagiarized file.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago

Thanks, happy to contribute to your future efforts 😁

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Bigoted potato? Wtf are you on about now?? 🤦

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Wow you went on a down vote spred on my comments, how grown up lol. Guess that's all you have when your arguments and goalpost movings all fall flat.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

First of all, I downvote misinformation and logical fallacies such as the appeals to authority and appeals to popularity (not to mention calling me and everyone else who disagree with you angry anti-US bigots 🙄) that your comments are littered with. That's not being childish, that's having standards.

Second, my arguments never "fell flat", you just either didn't understand or pretended not to understand.

Third, I never moved any goal posts. My argument has been that it's misleading to the point of disinformation to characterize the aspects of the economy that disproportionately affect rich people as representing the economy as a whole, no matter how many authority figures perpetuate that falsehood and no matter how many people believe it, from the start.

TL;DR: You've been wrong from the start, you continue to be wrong, and no amount of projection is going to change that.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

And you need economic 101.

Words are powerful and should not be subverted.

To each their own.

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy

Maybe you would like PPP more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Again: I know all that.

I'm not ignorant about the ways the establishment distorts and cherry picks economic data to suit their own interests, I'm refusing to accept and participate in the gaslighting.

That you STILL don't get it says a lot about you, none of it good.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I know all that too, I'm just using the words for what they stand for. "Economy" isn't something inherently good, and I don't like it when peopke try to change the meaning of it. IMO things like PPP is probably way better to measure happiness (but the world still burns), and so on. I'm all for stopping the crazyness aroung infinite growth, and to distribute wealth better. But if we're going to talk about it, especially on the internet, it's too easy to not understand eachother if words lose their meaning.

Have a good day!

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm just using the words for what they stand for.

No, you're stubbornly clinging to a deliberately misleading synecdoche while insisting on missing my point about how it's misleading and as such should not be perpetuated.

Your own first comment is an excellent example: you responded to a comment about the US economy AS A WHOLE being bad by saying that the cherry picked parts are doing well.

"Economy" isn't something inherently good

Nobody claimed ANYTHING of the sort. And you accused ME of moving the goalposts?? 🤦

I don't like it when people try to change the meaning of it.

Then stop aiding and abetting the people doing exactly that.

IMO things like PPP is probably way better to measure happiness

Again with the goalpost moving. Also, no. That's not a very good way to measure happiness OR the economy as it lumps in spending money you already have with accruing debt, which is also beneficial to the rich and detrimental to everyone else.

I'm all for stopping the crazyness aroung infinite growth, and to distribute wealth better.

I agree, but that's a completely different discussion. The goalposts are in an entirely different stadium now.

But if we're going to talk about it, especially on the internet, it's too easy to not understand eachother if words lose their meaning.

Which is WHY I am insisting on the neutral and comprehensive definition of the word "economy" over the commonly used but inherently misleading one you prefer adhering to.

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