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[+] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world -11 points 3 years ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not really, no. I don't seek out evidence to justify my worldview. In fact, any time I come across something that reaffirms what I believe, my first instinct is to verify by checking multiple sources and waiting for confirmation that it's not just a lie. We don't think getting banned on a liberal or fascist forum makes us martyrs or justifies our worldview. Some people do it to harass fascists, but most MLs who get shutdown on other forums honestly were just trying to explain their views and were punished for it. The only times I've ever seen people banned in ML circles were for repeated instances of bad faith argument and harassment. You may get downvoted to hell, but as long as you aren't being a thoughtless asshole, you're not likely to get banned, lol. Even if you are, you can appeal and will probably be listened to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying you're guilty of brigading or being an asshole to other sides or whatever, but all sides have assholes. Especially when there's effectively only 2 parties in America, there's gonna be assholes on both sides because being left or right or centrist doesn't mean you're any less of an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) There is one party in America, the rich people's party, and they play both sides of the culture war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Preach. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) I don't understand your point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet *By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like "liberal democracy" not like Trump uses it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it. I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CicadaSpectre@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not really, no. I don't seek out evidence to justify my worldview. In fact, any time I come across something that reaffirms what I believe, my first instinct is to verify by checking multiple sources and waiting for confirmation that it's not just a lie. We don't think getting banned on a liberal or fascist forum makes us martyrs or justifies our worldview. Some people do it to harass fascists, but most MLs who get shutdown on other forums honestly were just trying to explain their views and were punished for it. The only times I've ever seen people banned in ML circles were for repeated instances of bad faith argument and harassment. You may get downvoted to hell, but as long as you aren't being a thoughtless asshole, you're not likely to get banned, lol. Even if you are, you can appeal and will probably be listened to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying you're guilty of brigading or being an asshole to other sides or whatever, but all sides have assholes. Especially when there's effectively only 2 parties in America, there's gonna be assholes on both sides because being left or right or centrist doesn't mean you're any less of an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) There is one party in America, the rich people's party, and they play both sides of the culture war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Preach. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying you're guilty of brigading or being an asshole to other sides or whatever, but all sides have assholes. Especially when there's effectively only 2 parties in America, there's gonna be assholes on both sides because being left or right or centrist doesn't mean you're any less of an asshole. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) There is one party in America, the rich people's party, and they play both sides of the culture war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Preach. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) There is one party in America, the rich people's party, and they play both sides of the culture war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Preach. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) I don't understand your point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet *By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like "liberal democracy" not like Trump uses it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it. I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago (4 children) I don't understand your point? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet *By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like "liberal democracy" not like Trump uses it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it. I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 4 points 3 years ago* (2 children) CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet *By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like "liberal democracy" not like Trump uses it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it. I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BirdOfSteel@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it. I didn't know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 3 years ago I know, no objection there, just trying to explain. We consider ourselves the left. We think both parties are really the same where it counts: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/1098814 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent